ok I give in.......brains of a monkey me....tried to fit my givi wingrack to the AT with fitting kit supplied .....no chance,gave up after an hour of farting around and put it all back on the blackbird. Lost the picture that came with the fitting kit....so complicated you,d need a degree in engineering to understand.... I,m just an aircraft engineer....back to the oxford soft luggage then....I,ll get me coat....