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Maverick
11-07-06, 09:24 AM
So what is your favourite? After using decathlon's little 1 man 1/2 woman tent and then a 2/3 man Vango finally settled with the Khyam Mckinley which is a revelation in terms of erecting a tent in seconds and putting it back in the bag well in twice the time it takes you to get it up (funny that coincidence...)
http://www.maverick-evolution.150m.com/2004/princetown_2004/sunday/princetown_sunday_5.jpg
I might opt for a decent bivvy bag for shorter weekends away on my own in due course but generally enjoy the Khyam and think it was money well spend.
in the past i have always had Jack Wolfskin tents, same quality and design as North Face etc but only half the cost. Sadly they lately have changed the range and gone more family camping than expedition so looks like the next tent will be the much accalimed Coleman Epsilon 3 for us.
http://www.sportswarehouse.co.uk/acatalog/coleps.jpg
• Flysheet fabric: Polyester diamond ripstop, 4 000 mm PU coated, taped seams
• Inner tent fabric: Polyester breathable and no-see-um mesh
• Groundsheet: Nylon, PU coated 7 000 mm, taped seams
• Poles: Aluminium 7075-T9
• Carry bag: 38 x 20 ø cm
• Headroom: 110 cm
Weight 3.1 kg
£99.99 INC VAT
one great thing about this tent is the no-see-um mesh the inner is made of as this means in Africa/southern Spain etc in summer you can use the inner only as a mozzy free zone at nite whilst secretly wearing your winnie the poo pajamas. :lol:
Maverick
11-07-06, 12:19 PM
..... whilst secretly wearing your winnie the poo pajamas. :lol:
That would be the funniest thing ever seeying roughty tufty bikers getting out of their tents in Africa wearing Winnie/Spiderman/Lion King PJ's :mrgreen:
My wife will think it is a mere miracle me actually wearing pajama's for a start :lol:
Rubberchicken
11-07-06, 12:22 PM
I finally bought a halfway decent tent recently, up to now I've always used some lidl-special or other which is cheap and crap.
I was about to get a (still cheap) Nomad but the pack size was just too much and too heavy (7 kilos? :shock: Didn't look that big on the outside)
Finally decided on a Coleman Quartz 3, which apart from being Very Green Indeed has turned out to be a nice little tent that my 195 cm comfortably fits into without having to resort to diagonal sleeping, and still leaves enough room for stuffing bike gear into.
http://www.obelink.nl/images1/obelink/g06_igquar.jpg
Not sure yet how it'll behave in a downpour though...
YEN_POWELL
11-07-06, 01:14 PM
I have recently bought my second Kyham tent (Biker model, more cooking in the rain room), I was so impressed with the Igloo model I've had since 93. Be first at the bar, as they used to say in their adverts.
cbrpaddy
11-07-06, 06:20 PM
I've gone through loads and now tend towards two extremes - either my Coleman Cobra which is great for a light load as I can fit it into a baglux tankbag along with a sleeping bag and thermarest, and use all my other luggage for beer :D - or this, which I absolutely love, and can just about be jammed into a Zega case... http://www.nordicoutdoor.co.uk/varrie-tentipi.html
I very much second the Nordic tipi option, had one a few years and will not have any other now. You can cook in them , stand up , even put it up over your bike if needed , have a small open fire to dry gear, or just sit about with a beer.
I am about to buy the Vagga 7 which is a lightweight one , pretty big but packs down small and light perfect for a bike. A 5 man would do but love the space in the 7. Nibba is higher spec but costsa lot more. They are cool when hot and easy to keep warm when cold. One pole and nothing to break! could even cut a new pole daily.People live in these in the Arctic, unlike a tent we know which is basically a shelter these are a genuine living space and to my mind worth the money. I bet you wont regret getting one ?
cbrpaddy
11-07-06, 08:00 PM
I was torn between the canvas or the lightweight material but went for the canvas partly because I wouldn't need an inner tent for condensation then, but mainly because I just love the colour of it, especially the morning light shining through, boootiful. Cost a fortune alright, but definitely worth it if you do a lot of camping, nothing else compares to a good tipi, cept maybe a yurt but that'd be hard to pack on a bike.
mgillespie
11-07-06, 08:36 PM
Also vote for a Khyam QE. Got an Igloo, had it a few years, and it's awesome. Very light, and very quick to pitch (5 mins max, including pegging), before I'm operning the brewskis, and depending upon my mood, and the weather, perhaps helping others :-)
YEN_POWELL
11-07-06, 09:44 PM
Also vote for a Khyam QE. Got an Igloo, had it a few years, and it's awesome. Very light, and very quick to pitch (5 mins max, including pegging), before I'm operning the brewskis, and depending upon my mood, and the weather, perhaps helping others :-)It only takes 30 seconds from getting it out of the bag to fully erect (stop sniggerin at the back!!) The other 4 minutes and 30 seconds is putting guylines on it in case it gets windy whilst you're in the bar.
croydon@twin
12-07-06, 06:35 AM
I have a Khyam Matterhorn (now called Igloo I think) and love it. It really does erect :oops: in less than a minute.
If I were to but another tent it would have to be a Khyam and the Biker or the Mckinley.
Tony
why are you guys always in such a hurry to get it up? pleasure in the experience, as your missus!
Maverick
12-07-06, 09:00 AM
why are you guys always in such a hurry to get it up? pleasure in the experience, as your missus!
Be first at the bar, as they used to say in their adverts
:mrgreen:
mgillespie
12-07-06, 09:08 AM
why are you guys always in such a hurry to get it up? pleasure in the experience, as your missus!
Ahh, it's up in minutes, but stays up all weekend... :-)
My Khyam matterhorn tent is fab!!!
It's quicker to erect than some things I can mention :roll:
z-weiser
12-07-06, 10:42 AM
coleman tents are good - they do one designed for cycle touring - this is pretty good for 3 seasons and one biker + kit! (can't remember the name!)
also vango are great and mountain hardware are bombproof!!
most army surplus places do the gortex bivvy bags which are designed to take a soldier and full kit - this allows a biker and sleeping bag and also if you move down in the bag allows you to use the top bit (flap) as shelter for cooking!
z-weiser
12-07-06, 10:45 AM
found this place - they seem to have loads of tents to compare!
http://www.newtents.co.uk/
worth checking out - i have used terra nova stuff and it is great!
I can have the Tipi Up and kettle on in about 10 mins , tent alone in 5 or 6 without rushing. I like that it has no built in groundsheet , you can roll out half to keep cool or use two with a fire gap.
i dont think condensation is a problem with the lightweights as they are so well ventillated, on a hot day just roll up the bottom a bit (Or prop it up with sticks ) for a nice airflow. My canvass it is not a problem and i have not heatrd the light ones are much different? i will find out soon .I dont expect trouble though! Great tents .
Rubberchicken
12-07-06, 07:51 PM
i dont think condensation is a problem with the lightweights as they are so well ventillated,
Depends on what you call a problem. ;-)
My coleman has some pretty big vents, and yet I got a bit of a shock waking up the first morning, because it was raining a bit and the ceiling was dripping.
So my first reaction was "Oi bugger it's leaking" ;-)
Turned out to be condensation, and it was just a few drops so it's not _that_ bad.
The Tipi shape does not seem to suffer the same as there are no drip points, any condensation can simply run down the fabric and there is less chance of touching the sides, certainly no problem in my canvass one at all whatever the weather, could always fire up the log burning stove if required ! Bit big for a bike though .
GeoBloke
17-07-06, 02:54 PM
Ummm..yeah. Getting back on topic here. Terra Nova or, if you can find one, a Moss, are the absolute best nylon homes you could wish for(in my books anyway). I've had the latter for 14 years, set it up every night for over a year on an extended bike trip from London to georgia(not the US state), and it's still going strong. In the cold(northern Norway) it retains heat so after 15 mins or so you can sit around in a T-shirt while it's snowing outside.I My record so far wtih that tent is -25 in Maine(US) and we were toasty inside. Without the fly, it has a mozzie netting ceiling and lower sides so it sheds interior heat as best as possible (though at +44 in northern Iran, it was just too hot to sleep full stop). Also had it in every sort of storm so I know it's practically bombproof. I've only had the TN for 2 years but it's gained my confidence after several extended trips. Both are pricey but well worth the dosh if you want something that won't let you down.
Phoenix
19-07-06, 04:39 PM
Hi all I have to agree with Geobloke. Terra nova is the only way to go as they say. Bomb proof and just brill, yes they are not cheap but you get what you pay for. Ive used mine in -30 in force eight winds in the artic circle.... the dogs bits. And they pack small. Having worked in outdoor centres throughout the uk and Ireland I am a firm believer of buying as good as you can afford. If things go pear shaped you'll know the gear will not let you down. Having said that if you only ever camp in mid summer for 1-2 nights then you dont need £600-£700 worth of tent. :lol:
Rubberchicken
19-07-06, 09:31 PM
Having said that if you only ever camp in mid summer for 1-2 nights then you dont need £600-£700 worth of tent. :lol:
A bit more than 1-2 nights, but yeah that's me allright. ;-)
Guess I could do worse than the coleman, 'specially coming from this one:
http://onderhoud.luiemotorfiets.net/NL/fotoboekgifs/9095_503_1056666167.jpg
Which isn't exactly storm proof. Or even "light breeze" proof...
Pete Rock
19-07-06, 11:26 PM
Guess I could do worse than the coleman, 'specially coming from this one:
Hey, I had one just like that one, only green, and it handled a few stormy nights pretty well, summer storms though, not blizzards or anything.
One particular time me and a friend decide to put it up right on the edge of a cliff, in the best camping spot, that curiously nobody wanted, we even pointed the door to the ocean, which was 50meters down, so during the night we found out why nobody wanted that spot, as we were the only thing preventing it from becoming airborne :lol:
FatFergie
21-07-06, 03:54 PM
everyones' tent is cooler than our 3p vango tunnel which is too big'n'heavy and a pain to get up if it's windy. Loads of room however and a huge porch too.
How much does that tipi weigh Paddy? It looks great but can you bring anything else? the idea of lighting a fire in a tent would freak out my wife!
cbrpaddy
22-07-06, 04:16 PM
It weighs about 11 kg's but it's the big un, and the canvas is heavier than the alternative material you can also go for. However, I'm not backpacking the thing so I don't mind the weight.
I either sling it over the rack in it's own bag, or I recently found I can stuff it into the larger Touratech Zega (while slinging the collapsible pole over the rack). People are always amazed when they see this huge yoke coming out of nowhere :oops:
FatFergie
22-07-06, 06:21 PM
I'll have to see it for meself, it does look a bit mad, and very unusual for this part of the world, children must love it!
piguglyshandydrinker
22-07-06, 07:45 PM
Jeez, a whole new section I've never noticed before!!!
Had a couple of Vango tents, seem a bit of a hassle to put up.
Now got a Coleman X2, new from ebay 40 quid delivered.
It's totally waterproof, quick and easy to errect, can use it inner only, unpegged if it's stony and the generous porch is removable - I thought it abit of a gimmick before I bought it, it's fabulous, porch on for moderate weather/wet gear/cooking in, porch off for nice hot summer weather and quick erection.
Sleeping two, with bike gear in the tent would be a squeeze, snug with bike gear in the porch.
Only slight negative is it only has fibre poles - but then never had one splinter yet and what do you expect at the price?
Phil
The lightweight Vagga 7 ( Plenty big ) Weighs about 4kilos packs small ,One pole no groundsheet but seperate ones are cheap and do the job , £300, Canvass £600. The Nibba 7 light Slightly heavier and higher spec (Still no groundsheet) £600 , Canvass £900+. Stove not practical for bike £500, but a small fire box home made from a cake tin does the job kids will and do love it. Never leave them alone if the stove is on it gets red hot and they will (And your arse if getting dressed )Stick to it with horrendous results ! You will certainly get lots of people chatting in the campsite .
I have recently bought my second Kyham tent (Biker model, more cooking in the rain room), I was so impressed with the Igloo model I've had since 93. Be first at the bar, as they used to say in their adverts.
i got my igloo on the reco from yen and im well impressed with it :D
YEN_POWELL
23-07-06, 01:46 PM
I have recently bought my second Kyham tent (Biker model, more cooking in the rain room), I was so impressed with the Igloo model I've had since 93. Be first at the bar, as they used to say in their adverts.
i got my igloo on the reco from yen and im well impressed with it :DYou tell 'em mate. They are the bee's b*llocks.
I very much second the Nordic tipi option, had one a few years and will not have any other now. You can cook in them , stand up , even put it up over your bike if needed , have a small open fire to dry gear, or just sit about with a beer.
I am about to buy the Vagga 7 which is a lightweight one , pretty big but packs down small and light perfect for a bike. A 5 man would do but love the space in the 7. Nibba is higher spec but costsa lot more. They are cool when hot and easy to keep warm when cold. One pole and nothing to break! could even cut a new pole daily.People live in these in the Arctic, unlike a tent we know which is basically a shelter these are a genuine living space and to my mind worth the money. I bet you wont regret getting one ?
after much hunting around we have decided to go the tipi route for next year, we need 4 tents (4-6 man) for planed expedition/touring and conventional dome tents just don't tick all the box's. Best price i could get a 6 man with UV stableised HD Ripstop was £600 each which is ridiculous so we have opted to have them made in the UK to our own spec.
Desert sand UV Ripstop (silicon coated) with orange doors and skirt.
base foot print is 4mts by 4.5mts and interior 2.25mts heigh (approx 13'x15' and 7' inside)
after a bit of discussion we have opted to add a kevlar panel so the tipi can have a stove (more on that later! :wink: )
because these will be needed in both hot and cold climes a we will also have a condensation liner with a mesh top and sewn in floor.
calculations put the weight at a massive 3kg, or 5kg with liner!
total cost per unit is so far £94 for materials... :lol: :lol:
Dee Duble Yuh
05-08-06, 09:55 AM
You might need to start taking orders from members here!
still a long way from getting anything made sorting out details...
-Metal zips or plasic, might sound daft but metal zips are prone to freezing but are a lot stronger?
-how strong to make the tipi, adding bias tape to the seams adds weight but increases strength?
-both pros and cons for the top having a cap vent?
-should the pole be made of few but long sections or many short ones?
-ally or glassfiber poles?
-ripstop is made pre treated or un treated, is it best to treat after its sewn up to seal stiching?
ummm more questions than answers at the minute... :twisted:
There other firms other than Moskeselcatan which are cheaper, browse ebay under Bushcraft, a company advertises on there which look pretty good?
My poles are section alley, strong and light. Must have a cap vent for circulation and airflow to draw smoke out the top better if it turns then if the wind changes dont need to move your tent to keep smoke going up, dont forget your floor will need a fire hole, my stove has a spark arrestor on the top and a mesh bit around the pipe where it exits the tent to prevent burning.The Vagga 7 is only about £300 odd just as good never had a problem with seperate groundsheets, probobly no good in the jungle with all those creepy crawlies though!But run it up the sides a little and rain and insects etc go under rather than into the tent and if its hot better on grass without any.
Sounds interesting though having one made, probobly best to have a prototype made and try it to iron out any problems first. If the zip is covered go for steel, mine is made for the arctic and its steel plus the tent is kept warm anyway.
A small open fire will warm the space really quickly, just need to know your wood to prevent sparks etc...
All fixing or stressed points are reinforced with tape, the tent fabric does not act as a stressed part at all. These people know their stuff so probobly best to buy the cheaper model and see about looking at that as a starting point. Where these are used if it fails you die, not good for sales i imagine !
Dee Duble Yuh
05-08-06, 04:29 PM
Don't over-do the strengthening; people can fix a small tear. The pole should be in lengths suitable for carrying on a motorbike, i.e. as wide as a big top-box, definitely no more than the width of a bike with panniers. Glass fibre works OK when curved and stressed, but it doesn't take compression well; alloy is fine and not heavy.
thanks for the those points of view.
the pattern we have taken the design from is a tipi made for the American special forces, it was in use on Desert storm and aparently other conflits around the world so i hope it should have all the glitches ironed out!!
Peterb think the main reason for the price tag of £600 was because of the type and grade of fabric i want to use, I am not big on cutting corners and as you say your life may depend on it some day... i can buy cheaper nylon fabric to use but its not anywere near as robust or truly ripstop (the fabric i have is actually made for the US army for parachutes and is the dogs dangles being double woven!)
Chances are i will opt for EN8013 ally for the poles as we can do all the machining here and not have to pay someone else to do it.. im tight! :lol:
If anybody has a bike with panniers on that can give me some idea of the width that would be helpfull, its a logical answer Dee Duble Yuh, thanks.
As for the vent the Special forces one had like a fabric cone that capped the tipi, the very nice man that loned it to me was less than impressed with its design and hence the questions on changing the design.
jen
The cone seems pretty ubiquitouas on these and seems to work well on mine, you need the updraft for smoke , ventilation etc and shuts tight if not needed. The poles determine the folded width on mine and it is 62cm.
In my opinion one of the features of the American character is they believe they can "Improve " everything! Just maybe those who have used these things for thousands of years learnt a thing or two ? Of course it is a modern tent fabrics etc but basically it is an unchanged design.
Apparently you can improve on a lifetime of reflective meditation with a few mins a day wearing glasses giving off light and white noise ! Brilliant, if only The Buddha had thought of that.
Dilbert
05-08-06, 08:49 PM
Losing the will to live.......... thought this was the Bike Tech section........... must have wandered onto Camping and Caravaning Website...............must find another topic................ sssllooowwllyy dddrainnning aawaayyy :lol:
Rubberchicken
05-08-06, 09:17 PM
Losing the will to live.......... thought this was the Bike Tech section........... must have wandered onto Camping and Caravaning Website...............must find another topic................ sssllooowwllyy dddrainnning aawaayyy :lol:
Hey, could be worse. ;-)
http://dentistavolante.smugmug.com/photos/20061077-L.jpg
Lord Vader
05-08-06, 09:19 PM
:laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing5: :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3:
Dilbert
05-08-06, 09:41 PM
AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH...............well at least that woke me up, worst thing is just look at the guy on his mobile with a smug, am I cool or what look on his face :shock:
God, I don't even like topboxes, I'm going to have nightmares now, thanks for sharing that :o
Where are Brainiacs when you need them "Mister Hammond, we have another caravan for you"
If you want to carry a tent on a bike then its bike tech ! The topic is TENTS, if its not bike dont read it . A **** tent will ruin your long planned trip , avoidable with a little information.
Bit much to post pointless insulting replies but heygo for it !
Dilbert
06-08-06, 05:59 PM
If you want to carry a tent on a bike then its bike tech ! The topic is TENTS, if its not bike dont read it . A sh*t tent will ruin your long planned trip , avoidable with a little information.
Bit much to post pointless insulting replies but heygo for it !
Sorry, I assume most people on this site have a sense of humour and don't mind me pulling their leg a bit :lol:
Valid point if you are going on an adventure do make sure you're well prepared, but when I clicked the button I expected articles directly about bikes.
I used to do a bit of camping, but age has dulled the exitement of putting a tent up in the rain, carry on.
I have recently bought my second Kyham tent (Biker model, more cooking in the rain room), I was so impressed with the Igloo model I've had since 93. Be first at the bar, as they used to say in their adverts.
i got my igloo on the reco from yen and im well impressed with it :DYou tell 'em mate. They are the bee's b*llocks.
Recently bought kyham compact. Single hoop tent. Mightily impressed. 8 pegs including guys. Entrance both sides of tent and storage either side of tent.
Paul
Ok give me some help here.....
Here's my requirements with some of them that might contradict. Can anyone recommend a tent that would meet them.
The whole family want to go camping so I'm guessing me buying something that I can use on my own, or we can use as a family would be the best bet. So 6 berth (there's 4 of us) to allow for some room?
Something that will pack small enough to be able to be lugged around on the bike.
Something that's reasonably quality, but also a reasonable price.
Something that will be easy to erect. Stop giggling at the back please.
Any ideas.
Dee Duble Yuh
10-08-06, 06:47 AM
Two x three-man tents? Easily big enough for four; easily small enough to pack one of them on the bike.
piguglyshandydrinker
10-08-06, 08:13 AM
Ok give me some help here.....
Here's my requirements with some of them that might contradict. Can anyone recommend a tent that would meet them.
The whole family want to go camping so I'm guessing me buying something that I can use on my own, or we can use as a family would be the best bet. So 6 berth (there's 4 of us) to allow for some room?
Something that will pack small enough to be able to be lugged around on the bike.
Something that's reasonably quality, but also a reasonable price.
Something that will be easy to erect. Stop giggling at the back please.
Any ideas.
Another option, why not buy a big 4/6 man tent with two bedrooms + living area for family trips (can't help on good 'uns tho....) and a cheapie 2 manner for you (+ missus if applicaable) for bike trips???
Can get a reasonable (waterproof) 2 manner for 30-40 quid
I suppose it depends on how much it'they'll get used.
Phil
Dave,
I'd go for two seperate tents, something compact for the bike at around £100 and a big 6 berth thing for slinging in the car. You can get a 6 berth for about £100 too, just depends what you want, obviously the more you spend, the bigger/better you get.
Whealie
10-08-06, 12:53 PM
Two tents is the only option.
For a family tent, I just bought a Vango 400 for about £130/£140 (though it doesn't seem to be available from that supplier right now). Having always used two small ones I was amazed by the space, but on a campsite in Yorkshire we had the smallest tent there so clearly the bigger ones are all the rage. It was big enough for four of us to sit round a camping table inside (between the two bedrooms) with the doors shut. There was enough room for a big bag of stuff in each bedroom too. But you couldn't carry it on a bike unless you had precious little else to take with you.
you should get what cbrpaddy has, a norwegian army teepee that sleeps about 8 and weight 10kg. It just fits into his 41ltr touratech pannier. You can even zip the floor back in the middle to allow a fire inside!
I hoping he brings in on the Wicklow trip next weekend and we can all sleep in it!
dont think you can beat a tipi for size and weight, even an 8 man in nylon should weigh no more than 4-5 kg and pack into a space just 10" by 24" so easy for a bike to carry with ease.
looks like you pay for what you get with tents and tipi's too as ive seen cheap nylon ones from £140 (6 man) upto £1320 (6-8 man) another big plus is head height, we managed to get a bike (and riders) in a 6 man to work on with ease.
another massive plus if your using a tipi in winter a good quality one will happily allow an open fire or firebox that keeps the tipi warn through the night and into the morning some thing no conventional tent can do.
coldstart
30-08-06, 09:19 AM
If I were to buy a tent fore biking now I think I would have considered this one strongly.
http://www.helsport.no/NO/default.asp?ID=7163&G=800&P=795
4 sleeper
1,7 kg!!! (without the floor)
Packing measures 24x42 cm
Hesport has a good reputation, so I expect the quality to be ok......
Never toured on a bike but have found Norwegian Tepi tents 8 man 5 mt diameter , 9 kilos , or 6 man 4 mts diameter 6 kilos. both pack small. Thinking of the 8 man , 9 kilos should be fine on a bike i would have thought? Any thoughts , experience appreciated ?
Around £200. massive , could sit 15 in comfortably on a meet no problem for a few beers.I like a bit of room! I would probobly tour with anither person anyway .
GeoBloke
11-10-06, 06:03 AM
The only downside to a tipi is their profile in a big blow. Tipi-style tents with a geometric footprint like the Hesport LavuuLight present a steep flat face around the compass. You'll be needing guywires strung wayyyy out to counteract the lateral pressure and even with that, you'll still experience quite a bit of compaction inside. Makes for a bad night's sleep. :cry:
Tipi styles can handle some really big blows, (sorry geo) :) we use a tipi style down in Antarctica and they can handle it (granted they weight as much as the AT does. :shock: )
http://www.xrv.org.uk/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7894
there is little in way of shelter down there and so we have to dig them down a 1/2 metre or so and "sandbag em".. basically it is a pain in the ass.. :x but we can cook inside and have heaters and can stand... and fit 8+ people but they can handle 120mph wind 8)
My biggest issue with these style of tents is the PEGS! :evil: . Any tent that need to be pegged down can lead to issues , If the ground is to soft (sand/ mud) you need one type of peg if a kinda hard you need an other and if on rock or rock hard ground you are buggered. so for a long tour where you may have to carry multiple types of pegs (or at least get creative). I have done a fair bit of out back touring (australia) where you can hit anything from bull dust that offers no pegging ability to rock hard ground and pegs /guylines can be a realy pain ..Basically i have found that a freestanding tents (pop up) offers a better freedom for where you can place your tents. just my two cents :D
GeoBloke
11-10-06, 11:33 AM
I'm impressed!!!!! Cooool. Literally!! My assessment of the tipi's aerodynamic qualities was based on having seen one go parasailing last year in a big blow when I was camped out in north Devon. Maybe the owner didn't have it staked out enough but at any rate I stand corrected. I've always use streamlined designs so have grown suspicious of anything with a higher profile than waist height.
I have to say that even though i know Tipi can handle it I am with you Geo, I like streamline too!! :D I always use them for my personal camping.
How does 9 kilos sound ? I already have a canvass tipi but its too bulky and heavy for the bike , these are rip-stop and light . Choice is 7 or 9 kilos ? At should handle that no problem shouldn`t it ?
Jennababes
13-10-06, 09:05 AM
My biggest issue with these style of tents is the PEGS! :evil: . Any tent that need to be pegged down can lead to issues , If the ground is to soft (sand/ mud) you need one type of peg if a kinda hard you need an other and if on rock or rock hard ground you are buggered. so for a long tour where you may have to carry multiple types of pegs (or at least get creative:D
from all the people i spoke to about our tipii pegs was a common gripe too, however quite a few said that they dont bother with pegs atall any more but opted to use 'bags'. these work like a peg but are 10 times stronger and can be used on ANY surface, all it is a small bag made of ripstop which you fill with whatever is around..sand snow stones etc and that can either be left on the surface or burried if high winds are expected (one source said if the ground is too hard to be burried then in high winds stick a few stones in the bag and then place a big rock on top 8) ).. the other advantage is that bags actually weigh less than the equilivent size peg. :!:
personally upto 2 man then its definatly a better option to use a conventional tent but above 4 and definatly for 8+ then a tipi is a way better option as its massivly lighter in weight per person and less bulky than carrying 4 2man tents.
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