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YEN_POWELL
19-04-05, 09:08 AM
Turn that bloody light out, some of us are trying to kip in here!!
Look any time now there'll be a load of Varadero riders in here raving about the bike and we'll buy one and live happily ever after.
YEN_POWELL
20-04-05, 08:18 AM
I saw one yesterday when I was driving someone at work's car. Should've clubbed him over the head and dragged him to my computer.....
Theres one somewhere near were I live he flys around on it. Once saw one in a local bike shop a really short bloke used to ride it but had to get on it by standing on a really high pavement and the same getting off really funny!
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Spangle
25-04-05, 08:54 AM
Is it just me, or does the 125 Varedero look better than it's bigger brother?
big aint they had to look twice myself :shock:
jvaughan
26-04-05, 01:15 PM
I almost bought one... sitting on it, it just didnt do it fo rme, although the seat was comfortable. Must say though, the power behind it was suprising.
I decided I was not goign to be bullied by the sales man, and held off for my lifes dream ... the Africa Twin.
Hi guys, just to let you know there are some Varadero riders out there.
We've got nearly 500 in the UK Varadero group and regularly get together all over the country for rides. 20 of us are off to Poland for the Varadero International Meeting near Gdansk (May 13th- 16th).
Anyone thinking of moving over to a Vara and need any info just ask.
PS. The reason you won't get many Vara riders on this forum is that we don't class the vara as a trail bike, more of a trail bike styled tourer. It wasn't designed to go off road so most of us use it for what it's best at, touring. 200 miles to reserve, good motorway cruiser, good mountain road bike, nice comfy seat front and back, excellent weather protection, lovely torquey engine and of course it's a Honda. What more can I say.
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YEN_POWELL
08-05-05, 04:54 PM
Quick lads, lock the doors, we've caught one at last!!!!! What are we gonna do with him?
Wayyyy hiya Red.
A real live Varadero owner.
I'm certainly considering jumping to the Varadero at some time in the future. I've had plenty of test rides, and like the bike. IMHO it just hasn't got quite as much character as the AT.
Wayyyy hiya Red.
A real live Varadero owner.
I'm certainly considering jumping to the Varadero at some time in the future. I've had plenty of test rides, and like the bike. IMHO it just hasn't got quite as much character as the AT.
All due respect Dave, but what's "character"? We hear so much about bikes with "character", especially from the BMW GS riders, whose bikes are overpriced, corrode, use oil, etc.
Personal view, "character" is a load of b*ll*cks!
If you buy a bike to ride it you buy a bike within your budget that does what you want to do. Whether it's touring, trail riding, commuting. whatever. I bought the Vara because I'm in my 50's and wanted a comfortable bike with torque and power, with a decent fuel range and good weather protection that I can sit on all day. It needed to be able to cruise at 90mph on motorways and be nimble enough for the back roads in the Pyrennes (not the smooth roads you see in the mags for the sports bikes). It had to be capable of doing this with a pillion and a full set of hard luggage.
So what choices do you have?
Pan - good on a M-way but a dog in the mountains.
FJR - another M-way muncher and better than the Pan off the M-way.
BMW RT/RS/GS - not into the oil replenishment thing and overpriced.
All naked bikes - neck muscles not strong enough and no protection.
AT - not really up to M-way cruising (sorry).
Only things left are Vara and Capanord. Reliability has got to push you to the Honda.
Last year I did Le Havre - Pau (about 600 miles) in a day, and the next day did another 500 ish from Pau over the Pyrenees to Benidorm, no sweat. It really is a brilliant touring bike.
As I said in the previous post, Hull to Rotterdam on Wed night and then a blast down the Autobahn to Berlin for Thursday stopover and then into Poland on Friday and 200 miles of back roads to Gdansk.
A Pan will do the trip to the Polish border a little better but once in Poland wouldn't keep up and would be shagged by the time it got to Gdansk.
So, keep "character" for the "when I was a boy, young wippersnapper bikes were real bikes, they had character....." stories that I will tell my grandchildren when they are a little older, but not old enough to tell "Pops thats a load of b*ll*cks!"
I'll have to disagree with you on the motorway crusing, at 90mph mine will sit there all day. Its not as comfortable as the Varadero and the AT is at the top end of its speed at 90.
I'll also have to disagree with you about character. I think generally all bikes have some character. I've test ridden and owned lots of bikes, the AT was one of the few bikes that felt different. Perhaps its the matching of my desires with what the AT offers, a personal thing. It doesn't feel just like ant other bike to me. I commute on my bike and for the first time in years when I got my AT I wanted to ride it for pleasure. I've had a Varadero as a loan bike twice now, once for 1.5 days, so hopefully a reasonable test, and it doesn't float my boat quite as much as an AT...... at the moment. That may change. :-)
xrv_jim
08-05-05, 09:47 PM
I'll have to disagree with you on the motorway crusing, at 90mph mine will sit there all day. Its not as comfortable as the Varadero and the AT is at the top end of its speed at 90.
I'll also have to disagree with you about character. I think generally all bikes have some character. I've test ridden and owned lots of bikes, the AT was one of the few bikes that felt different. Perhaps its the matching of my desires with what the AT offers, a personal thing. It doesn't feel just like ant other bike to me. I commute on my bike and for the first time in years when I got my AT I wanted to ride it for pleasure. I've had a Varadero as a loan bike twice now, once for 1.5 days, so hopefully a reasonable test, and it doesn't float my boat quite as much as an AT...... at the moment. That may change. :-)
So there! :wink:
xrv_jim
08-05-05, 09:48 PM
Right. I'm off back to the AT forum. 8)
truth is am saveing up for one to go with my @t. The @t as my primary all year machine just dont feel the varadero is up to winters and the varadero for super long distance touring!
How much does it cost to fill your tank? I dont bother with the mph side to things anymore my @t is getting 200 miles to £13 at the moment and thats cruising at 80mph on motorways and running around back lanes etc it never varies.
Also have to disagree with the character side of things do you ride all year round? If your bike is your sole from of transport you develope a repour with it god knows I have ridden just about everything and the @t is the only bike that makes me giggle! I am hopeing with my brief encounter with the varadero it will do the same!
Infact everyone has there own personal preferances when it comes to bikes personally I think the @t and varadero are a riders bike but thats just me!
Ralphie
08-05-05, 10:28 PM
Steady lads :o
All it took was one reply on a usually empty thread, and if I may say so, a pretty well put together reply from a Varadero owner (Hello Red, please don't be put off and run away) and the shiite hits the fan. :naka:
Give the chap a chance to breathe.
A lot of common things are represented here.
Hondas are v. good. 8) :)
Bikes can be fun. :D
BMW's are for winkers - sorry Colin - my mate with an F650. :P
Now I only got into bikes due to previous passengering on and Africa Twin, and wanted the Transalp as a lead in to the AT.
But I also toyed for a while with the Varadero 125 as a starter.
I like the look, power etc of the Varadero.
The AT is dead, long live the AT.............
But
What next
I'll do a little bit...... but I won't have a bike/car etc that lets me down.
So I probably won't get an AT after the TA.
I might
get
a
Varadero :shock:
So there
Chucky
p.s. Come back Red, all is forgiven :D
the AT was one of the few bikes that felt different. Perhaps its the matching of my desires with what the AT offers, a personal thing
That's what I mean, it fits with what you want out of a bike and that's what you should ride.
I'll have to disagree with you on the motorway crusing, at 90mph mine will sit there all day. Its not as comfortable as the Varadero and the AT is at the top end of its speed at 90.
The AT was never designed for 90 mph motorway cruising, the Vara was/is. 90 is just 5,000rpm in top.
Hello Red, please don't be put off and run away
Don't worry, you guys are amateurs compare with the crap that flys around our forum. :D This is a nice relaxing conversation
wheeliebin
09-05-05, 06:47 AM
Sorry, I agree with Red.
If it's a bike having a 'personal character', then one AT would be different to another.
If it's the bike's 'characterist' we're talking about (the way a V-Twin is lumpier than a Four), aren't we just covering over it's flaws by putting a 'character' label on it ? (big vibes of a Harley is character !, the odd firing order of a Triumph triple is character !, the way my '49 T100 empties is engine oil all over the garage floor is character !)
:roll:
fewtrees
09-05-05, 11:45 AM
I didn't realise Varadero riders had so much in common with BMW riders...
Hmm. I think a 1150 or 1200GS is a better choice for an @ rider going towards a more touring bias.. at least you CAN take a GS off-road without it turning it's toes up..
Red - i think you're doing a great job, keep it coming...
Character is what ever you what is to be, ie the fact its breaks down ( never its a Honda ), nice sounding pipe , nice paint jobs etc etc .... beauty is in the eye of the beholder or some think like that....
There all lumps of metal .. to scrap metal dealer but to us, their our bikes.
The AT was never designed for 90 mph motorway cruising, the Vara was/is. 90 is just 5,000rpm in top.
nah ....gear the AT up its it will do the ton at 6000 rpm (ohh Poo my shift key stopped working)
Northy
Off to look at the other Vara (as they call it ) web site
:pain10: :argue: :violent1:
I didn't realise Varadero riders had so much in common with BMW riders...
Hmm. I think a 1150 or 1200GS is a better choice for an @ rider going towards a more touring bias.. at least you CAN take a GS off-road without it turning it's toes up..
Red - i think you're doing a great job, keep it coming...
I didn't realise Varadero riders had anything in common with BMW riders.
1. We bought a Honda
2. It's better built
3. It's more reliable.
4. It doesn't drink a litre of every 1000 miles.
5. It's got far better weather protection.
6. Dealer servicing is cheaper.
7. None of us fell for the "character" ploy.
8. We don't need a blue propellor badge to tell us we bought the right bike.
9. We don't put aluminium boxes on the bike when the furthest we go is to Tesco's.
10. We don't need to club together all the time to reassure each other we made the right choice.
You're right that a GS is a better off-road bike, but none of us bought it to go off-road.
And I don't believe you'd swop your AT for a GS :shock:
Any one for seconds? :D
I test rode the GS1150 along side the AT when I bought my AT and it just didn't do it for me.
Anyway to move the discussion on I'll conceed that perhaps the character I refer to is personal........ hopefully I'll find that in a Varadero when the time comes to change. :-)
Any one for seconds?
Yes please choccy pud with custard :roll:
Red , ..... I saying this quietly ..... have you the link for Vara forum.
(Lazy lot in ere always falling asleep )
As for 12 inch, lay off the puddings its will make the bike go faster :) .....(its would have to chocolate custard with choccy pud ....... Bread ,n,butter pud ! :wink: )
Northy
If i by a varadero I wont need to lay off the puddings they have great seats for ample bottoms :wink:
Found the web site its
http://www.honda-varadero-uk.org
Doesn't have a for sale area ? :?: Well need to get idea of the prices, looks like there just as rare as @'s
They don't like BMW's in there either ! ... could be dangerous place to wander off to.
Northy
Send yen in hes a master of the art of @tfu :shock:
YEN_POWELL
10-05-05, 12:30 PM
Send yen in hes a master of the art of @tfu :shock:
Wot's @tfu?
Like kung fu but instead of hitting them with body parts you lift your @t high above your head give out a mighty viking type roar and clout them with the @t :roll:
Or if you want i can borrow you a feather duster!
YEN_POWELL
10-05-05, 02:30 PM
Like kung fu but instead of hitting them with body parts you lift your @t high above your head give out a mighty viking type roar and clout them with the @t :roll:
Or if you want i can borrow you a feather duster!
WHAT, with my back....I don't think so!
fewtrees
10-05-05, 04:06 PM
I'm gonna love this
I didn't realise Varadero riders had anything in common with BMW riders.
1. We bought a Honda
2. It's better built
3. It's more reliable.
4. It doesn't drink a litre of every 1000 miles.
5. It's got far better weather protection.
6. Dealer servicing is cheaper.
7. None of us fell for the "character" ploy.
8. We don't need a blue propellor badge to tell us we bought the right bike.
9. We don't put aluminium boxes on the bike when the furthest we go is to Tesco's.
10. We don't need to club together all the time to reassure each other we made the right choice.
You're right that a GS is a better off-road bike, but none of us bought it to go off-road.
And I don't believe you'd swop your AT for a GS :shock:
Any one for seconds? :D
Oh yes..
1. We bought a Honda. - Yup, but same(ish) lardyness!
2. It's better built - .. 'course it is.. I checked your site. You were going to start a forum on the reliability and build quality... eek! So same as BMW there me thinks
3. It's more reliable. - Check your own site, seems there are more probs with the Varadero than anything else!
Wait for it...
Low speed front wheel wobble - what's that 'bout then
Honda Immobiliser System - guess..
Fuel Cap - paint drops off it
Faulty Fuel Sensor Unit - cuts off fuel
Engine Mounting Bolt Recall - hmm, not confidence inspiring
Faulty Dash Upper Cowling - It melts
Wheels - Add a steel brake disc and the oxide pushes the disc, warping it
Front Cylinder Rain Exposure - Water get dumped here, stops spark
Problem with running on Unleaded Petrol (95RON) and damp/wet weather - makes it run poorly, can you believe this...
Suspension - Rear shock isn't protected from elements so fails quickly
Weight - Too heavy, even we moan about this but you guys have all the cake on this one.
Poor paintwork on the tank - at least it's not the frame ;-)
4. It doesn't drink a litre of every 1000 miles. What you reckon you save in oil is nowt compared to the petrol consumption you put up with..35 mpg!
5. It's got far better weather protection. That's because it's shaped like the side of a house!
6. Dealer servicing is cheaper. +1 point, you're onto a winner here..
7. None of us fell for the "character" ploy. That's 'cos the bike hasn't got any, same as a BMW.. I think you're missing the point about character. Character is when you and the bike have a connection, when the bike becomes more than a tool to do a job. If you ain't got this, you're missing out.
8. We don't need a blue propellor badge to tell us we bought the right bike. You love to hate 'em though! That's envy that is...
9. We don't put aluminium boxes on the bike when the furthest we go is to Tesco's. - That's because on a Varadero metal looks out of place. At least the BMW looks like it can take some hammer! :lol: :lol:
10. We don't need to club together all the time to reassure each other we made the right choice. - Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't have your own website!
But you're right, the Varadero is a lovely bike. The thing I can't figure is this: As it is a tourer and a road one at that, and a good one too, why not just make it look like one and perform like one, instead of trying to compete with a bike (the BMW) that is dual purpose? Why give folks the wrong set of expectations?
Now I'm bored.. :wink:
go northy :blob8: go northy :headbang:
I wondered why he never answered my fuel consumption question alas now we know there a good bike but you need shares in shell to cope 35mpg that rivals the zephyr 1100 i had with its 8 spark plugs that did nothing to help fuel consumption and cost a fortune to replace!!!! :shock:
xrv_jim
10-05-05, 10:01 PM
go northy :blob8: go northy :headbang:
I wondered why he never answered my fuel consumption question alas now we know there a good bike but you need shares in shell to cope 35mpg that rivals the zephyr 1100 i had with its 8 spark plugs that did nothing to help fuel consumption and cost a fortune to replace!!!! :shock:
Eight spark plugs :shock: Jeez!
Ralphie
11-05-05, 08:29 AM
Hmmmmmmmmm
I'm not sure if its "Duelling Banjo Time" or "Handbags at Dawn". :fart:
Cmon Red - do yourself proud!!! :D
Cheers
Chucky
p.s. Can't you just taste the tension!!!!!
hey hey hey, i dont check this forum for a couple of weeks and look what happens!
and actual discussion (and a good one), im appalled!
ill get my coat
No hand bags please gents .....just each other points of view ( do Touratech make handbags !)
12inch shouldn’t it have been Go Go Fewtrees ? ( what are you on ! )….anyway ere’s my bit
1. We bought a Honda ….boring aren’t they and such naff colours
2. It's better built .. see above believe Vara’s are made in made in Spain umm and Honda quality ain’t what it used to be.
3. It's more reliable. Depends on what its being used for and who owns it ?
4. It doesn't drink a litre of every 1000 miles. Drinks juice like its VTR cousin
5. It's got far better weather protection. So has a car, does its have to look like a barn door
6. Dealer servicing is cheaper. – but can you service it to yourself ?
7. None of us fell for the "character" ploy. Its just looks horrible,
8. We don't need a blue propellor badge to tell us we bought the right bike. Yep don't like the whole BMW thing
9. We don't put aluminium boxes on the bike when the furthest we go is to Tesco's. Should have brought a CB500 then.
10. We don't need to club together all the time to reassure each other we made the right choice. But they’ve got lots of spare money to go out (envy !!) and for @ owners we like a good moan !
The vara is an OK bike and I trying hard to convince myself that it would be the next main bike but its just doesn’t grab me by the balls :shock: and say YES. Yes I ridden one, perhaps need ride one again and really give it a good trash and check its handling (remember I don’t what to go off road! if I can help it )
IMO the goods bits are
Power !, Honda build quality ?, road wheels, low seat height , comfy, Cheaper than a BMW GS
Things against it are
Weight, Hard to do DIY servicing, fuel consumption, large bits of plastic , new one still cost £8000 . There’s cheaper stuff out there. They do go down in price for 2nd hand, in fact cheaper than the @’s
Chamber’s of Rochester have 2000 @ 27k for £4495, and 02 Vara 8k for £4695. so what does that say ? :wink:
Anyway it horses for courses , it’s a free county, free speech etc …… what a load of b***s :roll:
Just keep riding !
Northy ...... back to work !
xrv_jim
11-05-05, 10:10 AM
But you're right, the Varadero is a lovely bike. The thing I can't figure is this: As it is a tourer and a road one at that, and a good one too, why not just make it look like one and perform like one, instead of trying to compete with a bike (the BMW) that is dual purpose? Why give folks the wrong set of expectations?
And that is exactly why my eventual replacement for the AT will probably be a BM.
The Vara is undoubtedly an exercise in styling rather than design - as so many other bikes are these days. Now, the AT fits into that generality as well I know, but at least it has the basic durability and components to back up the image to a very large degree (probably more than the BM if truth be told) - riders do take AT's round the world in all sorts of conditions. While I admit I wasn't looking for 'em, I don't recall seeing any Vara's at the Horizons meetings.
The Vara is no doubt a very good bike, but it is no AT competitor, despite any claims to the contrary. The Vara might have the legs on the road, more power, low seat, road wheels, etc. etc. - that makes it a more competent road bike. When it comes to off-road the AT wins...end of story...because, at some level, it was designed for off-road work unlike the Vara which, sort of, looks like it could.
I'm sure most AT and Vara owners are very pleased with their bikes - at the end of day that's all that matters.
fewtrees
11-05-05, 12:32 PM
I'm sure the conversations between Varadero riders go like this..
Rider 1: So mate, do you like your bike?
Rider 2: Yeah sure, does the job, feels like a BM though.. no character..
Rider 1: Yeah, they're a cr*p bike..
Rider 2: Go for a ride then?
Rider 1: OK, got a full tank for a change..
Rider 2: No worries, should be able to get to Tesco's and back then
Rider 1: Do you reckon we can get in?
Rider 2: Whadya mean?
Rider 1: They've got speed humps y'know..
Rider 2: But the wife wants some carrots....Blah blah..
etc...
Lord Stig
12-05-05, 06:34 AM
A good discussion! Still, I can't help thinking that Honda, had they read comments on the XRV forum about the kind of mods we perform (e.g., higher screens, higher gearing - in short things that would make the AT into a boring motorway machine), and what we would like to see changed (e.g., wheels that don't rust, more power), and the things we already like (e.g., road presence, (generally good) reliability, large tank range), they may well have come up with the Varadero! I'd perhaps go for a Varadero stripped of its plastic and made into a harder-edged, more off road oriented machine in the mould of the new BMW HP2. But that's pretty much what I have in mind for my AT at some point. Plastic is for running up huge debts that you can't pay back!
Stig
I'd perhaps go for a Varadero stripped of its plastic and made into a harder-edged, more off road oriented machine in the mould of the new BMW HP2.
I 100% agree with the above, except I just use it on the road as supermoto vara! ...umm 1000 cc supermoto (nah far to heavy)
Any one got slightly smashed Vara ! that needs a face lift .
Northy
fewtrees
12-05-05, 09:04 AM
Funny you should say all that as if you look on the Varadero site, plenty of people put @ bits their machine!!
Give one to Modrover and see what he turns it into :-)
anyway your all wrong, Transalp Forever!!!
not going to argue with you on the transalps I like em there all chewy :lol:
Ralphie
17-05-05, 10:35 PM
Madrab - look what you started
How come its the quite threads you need to keep an eye on?
By the way
Whats your TA like
I see very few around the city, less than the AT's I've seen.
I've got the nodding thing down now, but had the wierd "what to do when twenty Power Rangers go by and there all nodding " thing at the weekend.
Cheers
Chucky
thats mine here
http://www.xrv.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=968
yeah is can be quite dizzying when a big stream flys by, i just usually stick up my hand to say hi to all of them in one go :-)
i used to be in town alot but now im up and down the m50 every day (eugh!)
Ralphie
20-05-05, 09:15 PM
Tis a great big car park is'nt it?
OK down to serious facts
Can you get done for speeding as easy as in a car?
Do people get those dodgy plates on bikes and do they work?
What about radar detectors?
Why have I started speeding like mad since I got the bike?
Cheers
Chucky
No hand bags please gents .....just each other points of view ( do Touratech make handbags !)
12inch shouldn’t it have been Go Go Fewtrees ? ( what are you on ! )….anyway ere’s my bit
1. We bought a Honda ….boring aren’t they and such naff colours
2. It's better built .. see above believe Vara’s are made in made in Spain umm and Honda quality ain’t what it used to be.
3. It's more reliable. Depends on what its being used for and who owns it ?
4. It doesn't drink a litre of every 1000 miles. Drinks juice like its VTR cousin
5. It's got far better weather protection. So has a car, does its have to look like a barn door
6. Dealer servicing is cheaper. – but can you service it to yourself ?
7. None of us fell for the "character" ploy. Its just looks horrible,
8. We don't need a blue propellor badge to tell us we bought the right bike. Yep don't like the whole BMW thing
9. We don't put aluminium boxes on the bike when the furthest we go is to Tesco's. Should have brought a CB500 then.
10. We don't need to club together all the time to reassure each other we made the right choice. But they’ve got lots of spare money to go out (envy !!) and for @ owners we like a good moan !
The vara is an OK bike and I trying hard to convince myself that it would be the next main bike but its just doesn’t grab me by the balls :shock: and say YES. Yes I ridden one, perhaps need ride one again and really give it a good trash and check its handling (remember I don’t what to go off road! if I can help it )
IMO the goods bits are
Power !, Honda build quality ?, road wheels, low seat height , comfy, Cheaper than a BMW GS
Things against it are
Weight, Hard to do DIY servicing, fuel consumption, large bits of plastic , new one still cost £8000 . There’s cheaper stuff out there. They do go down in price for 2nd hand, in fact cheaper than the @’s
Chamber’s of Rochester have 2000 @ 27k for £4495, and 02 Vara 8k for £4695. so what does that say ? :wink:
Anyway it horses for courses , it’s a free county, free speech etc …… what a load of b***s :roll:
Just keep riding !
Northy ...... back to work !
Sorry Guys been away in Poland on the bike for the last week or so and when I first looked at this thread I thought I'd logged on to the UKGS'ers forum or a BM appreciation society.
Anyway I'm back! Shoulders as broad as before and ready for action.
Didn't realise you guys felt so strongly about how good BM's were and how much you lusted after them. Why don't you all go out and buy one if you feel so strongly? Seems the sensible thing to do?
All I can say is that I've just done 2,000 miles through UK, Netherlands, Germany and Poland on a nice comfy bike, that cruised all day down the autobahn at 90-100mph, with the odd blast up to 120mph, got 200 miles to the tank and put up with some of the worst tarmac roads I've come across. Never missed a beat and used no oil.
I'm happy :D
All I can say is that I've just done 2,000 miles through UK, Netherlands, Germany and Poland on a nice comfy bike, that cruised all day down the autobahn at 90-100mph, with the odd blast up to 120mph, got 200 miles to the tank and put up with some of the worst tarmac roads I've come across. Never missed a beat and used no oil.
I'm happy :D
That for me is where you've got a definite point, and why I for one am thinking of switching to tha Varadero.
But as I've said at the moment I doesn't quite do it enough for me to go out and buy one. At the moment the pros don't outweigh the cons for me, but they're gradually moving.
fewtrees
22-05-05, 09:11 PM
http://www.xrv.org.uk/getimage.php?id=571Let's see your Varadero get up that
BMW - yup, preferable to a Varadero..
http://www.xrv.org.uk/getimage.php?id=571Let's see your Varadero get up that
BMW - yup, preferable to a Varadero..
Fewtrees, I fail to see any logic in your comments in any of your posts.
You seem to be obsessed with the off-road capabilities of BMW GS's rather than the AT, TA and other Hondas on which this forum is based.
This seems perculiar for a member of a forum for "bringing UK Honda trail bike riders together", so I would suggest that you should resign and gain membership of the UKGS'ers forum where you will find kindred spirits.
As for taking my Varadero up the track in the image, why would I want to?
The Varadero is not a trail bike as I stated in the very first post and as such has no off-road capability. Would you degrade a Fireblade owner for not attempting the same track?
Go buy a GS and let us Honda riders ride our chosen machines to the maximum of the capabilities for which they were designed.
Funny you should say all that as if you look on the Varadero site, plenty of people put @ bits their machine!!
Bit of an exageration here I believe. Only one comes to mind, JohnnyC.
Didn't know @ bits fit on a Varadero!
Which bits are you refering to?
fewtrees
23-05-05, 08:00 AM
He he, but Red. The whole reason is because the Varadero is pretentious enough to pose as a big tralie, yet is really a PanEuropean with a different fairing.
So I ask you, why didn't you buy a PanEuropean?
And the reason for taking it down a track like that is.. It's fun and secondly, because I can..
Red wrote,
I thought I'd logged on to the UKGS'ers forum or a BM appreciation society.
Nah we are well balanced folk who just wish Honda would just build a new @ AKA GS.
I'd love a bike like a GS but not with the BM image and costs but with Honda reliability,quality and relativtity cheaper (?) bike ...... but its just not the vara !
Heres something that will make you smile ! re BMW quality
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?s=83e24501f2f32387ad85040dd8aee681&threadid=45046
Yes I been dipping into other forums (naughty boy! ), trying to find out what bike to get next ........no progress yet.
He he, but Red. The whole reason is because the Varadero is pretentious enough to pose as a big tralie, yet is really a PanEuropean with a different fairing.
Reason for what?
Reasoning isn't your strong point is it.
So I ask you, why didn't you buy a PanEuropean?
Don't want a Pan.
And the reason for taking it down a track like that is.. It's fun and secondly, because I can..
Bully for you...enjoy your GS.
Still waiting for this list of AT parts we all fit to our Varaderos.
fewtrees
23-05-05, 04:12 PM
Ahhh Ha Ha... It's almost depressing..
On balance, let's face it, square on...
You bought a bit of a lemon.
But that's OK. Because it helps keep Honda going..
Red.. Seriously now.. It's a nice bike the Varadero but it just so god damn lard arsed and there's too many other Honda's I'd rather buy that are better at doing what the Varadero does.
I'm curious.. Why didn't you buy a Pan European?
Red.. Seriously now.. It's a nice bike the Varadero but it just so god damn lard arsed and there's too many other Honda's I'd rather buy that are better at doing what the Varadero does.
I'm curious now..which ones?
I'm curious.. Why didn't you buy a Pan European?
OK, I'll answer that with a challenge!
I'll race a Pan, a Blackbird, a Fireblade, a CB1300 and an AT from Berlin to Gdansk! If fact lets throw in a 'Busa for good measure.
100 miles of Autobahn and 250 miles of Polish back roads.
I'll bet on me, and not because I'm some sort of Rossi clone, anything but.
It's called horses for courses!
fewtrees
23-05-05, 06:10 PM
I'll race a Pan, a Blackbird, a Fireblade, a CB1300 and an AT from Berlin to Gdansk! If fact lets throw in a 'Busa for good measure.
100 miles of Autobahn and 250 miles of Polish back roads.
I'll bet on me....
Hmm.. Thought you might.. Off you toddle then, but be careful..
That's an interesting line up. Mine would be 1. Blackbird 2. PanEuropean 3. Varadero, closely followed by 4. Fireblade (no I wouldn't degrade him - still a biker like the rest of us..) and 5. CB1300
...not because I'm some sort of Rossi clone
Oooh.. Are you saying you are in fact a Rossi clone, but that's not the reason you'd win?
It's called horses for courses!
More like.. Ponies for cronies..
Thanks for letting me join in the banter and the game of verbal ping-pong guys.
And thanks for setting up a section of your forum specifically for slagging off the Varadero. Fancy me falling for that, duh!
You could always set up sections for V-Strom and Capanord owners if you get bored, or better still what about Dominator owners, they must be good for a laugh, and they're Honda owners too!
I doubt you'll get any more Varadero owners appearing here so I hope you enjoyed yourselves during my brief visits. Always nice to be on a friendly forum.
Cheerie Bye
fewtrees
26-05-05, 09:22 AM
Nice to have you here..
Sorry we kinda jumped on you, you obviously love the bike and we think ours are great too. We prefer our @, you prefer your Varadero, no problem. We know the @ has faults, we're OK with that.. we always said the Varadero was a nice bike, but not nice enough in the ways we want for us..
....we always said the Varadero was a nice bike, but not nice enough in the ways we want for us..
Sanctimonious ****, pull your head out of your arsehole and try to view the world from a different point of view.
I didn't realise you spoke on behalf of all the other members of the forum, who by their lack of interaction within this thread must all feel the same way as their leader.
Anyway #1 , El Capitan AT or whatever your sublimates call you, this is the last post I'll make as no-one else here seems to have a pulse.
fewtrees
26-05-05, 01:25 PM
Sanctimonious *censored*, pull your head out of your arsehole and try to view the world from a different point of view.
I think you say that to anyone who disagrees with you.
I didn't realise you spoke on behalf of all the other members of the forum...
I don't, it's a level playing field..
, who by their lack of interaction within this thread must all feel the same way...
Maybe they do and maybe they don't. They probably think this thread is too acrimonious to want to get involved in.
Anyway #1 , El Capitan AT or whatever your sublimates call you, this is the last post I'll make as no-one else here seems to have a pulse.
I'm sure everyone here has a pulse and I don't think anyone appreciates even minor personal insults.
Red, put it into context.. You're a Varadero rider who's first reply to a genuine post was aggressive.. Let me remind you..
All due respect Dave, but what's "character"? We hear so much about bikes with "character", especially from the BMW GS riders, whose bikes are overpriced, corrode, use oil, etc.
Personal view, "character" is a load of b*ll*cks!
Not polite, especially for a visitor. "Character" is something the @ has and is something we appreciate. Do you get it yet? Read on...
Then you try and show off.. Last year I did Le Havre - Pau (about 600 miles) in a day, and the next day did another 500 ish from Pau over the Pyrenees to Benidorm, no sweat. It really is a brilliant touring bike.
If you were listening, no-one disagreed. It is a great touring bike, no dispute.. Thing is, no-one likes a show off!
Don't worry, you guys are amateurs compare with the cr*p that flys around our forum. This is a nice relaxing conversation
Set yourself up good and proper.. What else would you expect from this point on? I'm glad you feel so relaxed now..
But the problem isn't really the bike.. I for one, love my @ too much to care about the Varadero, it's just not an issue.
You seem content on spouting your own views but become aggressive when people fight back. That's not a quality I can entertain.
Sorry to have upset you but in retrospect, I don't believe it could have been any other way.. Knowing you.. that is..
Damn theres some big shoulders in this room :shock:
And long legs thats the one thing we all have in common :D
Muckybill
26-05-05, 07:00 PM
I thought this site was for exchanging veiwes on bikes we all love not for slagging each other and what we ride. I would never put someone down for what they ride and i haven't slung a leg over a bike i haven't enjoyed in some way or other.
How about calling a truce (Red and Fewtrees).
I am sure we can all learn a lot from each other Wether it be a @, Transalp or Varadero.
Well i feel better for that :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Bill
12inch shouldn’t it have been Go Go Fewtrees ? ( what are you on ! )….
Nope hes doing a good job his own you have insulted his honour sir!
Besides I cant be bothered to read back that far.
What ever happened to that saying the nicest peple ride hondas!
I am sure we can all learn a lot from each other Wether it be a @, Transalp or Varadero.
Yeah I have been thinking about building a chop useing a varadero lump or maybe a huge fighter to scare the weekend chappies :shock:
wheeliebin
26-05-05, 11:42 PM
Is it just me being thick :shock:
but I didn't find Red's reply aggressive at all, he had a very good point on "but what's character?".
as for showing off, can we no longer post about how we enjoy and use are bikes without the fear of being called a show-off?
"Don't worry, you guys are amateurs compare with the cr*p that flys around our forum." <<<< I took this remark as a witty 'off the wall' comment.
I think you Mr Fewtrees is the one that's been aggressive....
...but like I said, it may be me just being think :shock:
croydon@twin
27-05-05, 09:28 AM
I have been reading this thread but not commenting on it. I took it early on as friendly banter but it does seem to have degenerated to the point where the one Varadero rider we had has buggered off never to return. Which is a shame.
As for the @ v Varadero debate. Horses for courses as far as I'm concerned. I prefer my @ but I'm happy that others prefer the Varadero. I have never ridden one though.
To quote from a St. Ettiene song, can't we all just "kiss and make up"? There's me getting all poetic :lol:
Tony
fewtrees
27-05-05, 09:59 AM
Yes it was friendly banter until someone asks you to take your head out of your arse.. Then I will let rip..
Sorry guys.. Never meant you to read a thread that was worse than Footballers Wives..
Red, if you're reading this, I predominantly (we) are sorry for ganging up on you.. which we did.
Happy to make up but not the kissing thing..OK?
Yeah me too
And I dont mind the kisses :shock:
And I dont mind the kisses
I don't fancy either of them !
:shock:
Back to the bikes, agree with croydontwin.... Horses for course :!:
Northy
Enjoy the weekend what ever yer riding - look like warm one
(except if your riding a Horse of course , stop them Cr*pping on the road)
Lets all have a big Honda hug. :3some:
:love3:
Ralphie
27-05-05, 11:13 PM
OK Everyone
In the words of Liverpool fans everywhere (including me)
Calm Down Calm Down
What a result -I'm lovin it. :D
Red - I loved your'e chatter.
Fewtrees - shut up or we'll never hear another Varadero rider again.
Can we not have Varadero views in here as well coz
1) There is NO replacement yet for the AT.
2) The next biggest bike from the TA is a Varadero 1000
3) Apparently my TA is crap without road tyres (Fewtrees see your own poll results).
4) I only got into bikes coz I wanted a AT, but I'm also ****ed if I'm gonna buy a dinasaur!
RED please come back, I appreciate alternative views (Everyone else Vote Now, Press the RED BUTON :D
xrv_jim
28-05-05, 07:31 AM
Well this thread has certainly developed.
I'm probably just over-sensitive to these things but do I detect some pent-up frustration and confrontational banter in one or two posts. Take a chill pill and please guys, lay off the Atkins diet - all that protein is not good for your karma.
Most mornings I see a Varadero parked outside Beverley Road baths in Hull and it looks OK to me - if only they made a RWB one I'd be tempted. As for off-roading one of them...well, where there's a will there's a way.
Well as I've said I'm considering the Varadero. I'm increasingly drawn to it.
I remember Bike having an article on the Varadero and taking it down a few gravel tracks.... but then you could probably do that with any bike!
Intersted to get a few Varadero opinions though. Red if you read this are you aware of any Varadero riders that used to have an AT, and if so what their comments are?
I'm going be test riding the vara this week. I'll feed back on it . Trying also to get ride on the Suzuki DL storm..... still can't afford the GS. :( (more like could afford it but the Jap bikes are cheaper,newer for a lot less dosh :) )
Northy
Recycler
30-05-05, 06:12 PM
I for one wrote them off at first but the latest model (mkII?) looks much slimmer and I like the seat and dash.
I'd like to try one- I'm discouraged by the MPG and injection as I like to cheat both main dealers and Gordon Brown.
I love my Tranny but it'd be nice to have one that flew when you gave it some. Tried the 1000 Vstrom & TDM. The TDM is fave so far but still has no wollop, the strom was comfy but as ugly as a German bike.
redmarcus999
15-06-05, 09:37 PM
At last, got to the end of this string, (half an hour of reading), im glad Fewtrees has calmed down.
I for one thought Red was a bit over the top!
dont think he'll be back, (hope im wrong)
I was discussing with the misses, what to replace my @ with, but if the truth be told, idont want to replace it at all, RD07 only 16k
Dont want GS and associated stigma, i now think i would like to add to my bike collection with a vara. Long distance need not be a pain in the arse any longer. Keep the @ for winter and odd bit of off road.
Two hondas for the price of one BMW, says it all :D
Silverman
12-07-05, 05:10 AM
I'm confused. Are Varadero owners welcome here or shall I get me coat. I,ve PM'd Fewtrees about coming on the Isle of Skye run ( only on the tarmac bits ) but think I may have asked the wrong person. I'll see if I get a reply. Don't think I'll be joining that "Red" character though. Doh! shouldn't have used the word character.
I'm confused. .
Aren't we all ! ....
Its all personnel onions (opinions ) and the fact that no one can agree means we are all individuals or argumentative t*sser! :shock: Take yer pick on that one.
Yes you are welcome.
One the problem is we have is that we can test ride a Vara but we don’t really know what its like to live. So feed back please …..
The @ and vara are totally different bikes and 10-15 years apart in design etc. and people use there bikes for different things but we need to accept that a bike is bike ….hell of lot better than someone saying my Nova’s tin box faster than your’s causes of the max power sticker !
However IMO I think the vara web site isn’t as good as this one as there more techy stuff in here. With the Vara one its hard to find out what’s going on as the thread tends to get hijacked or goes off topic (normally with sexual overtones) :roll:
Anyway thats IMO …… feel free to have yours
Just ride
Northy
landyandy
12-07-05, 09:52 AM
I wouldn't be too hard on Red ... he's been very helpful on the 'other' forum. I also think that Fewtrees was miles out of order earlier on this posting.
Northy, I agree - the layout of the other forum is not exactly friendly, and I can't say I've had much in the way of quality replies to the few posts that I have made, and yes, they do go off topic after about, err, 1 post. I feel more 'at home' over here, frankly.
The only benefit I get from the other site is answers to any technical queries, that I wouldn't expect to get answered over here, as there isn't the technical 'know-how' on this forum as yet to answer stuff. Obviously, you have to bear in mind the previous paragraph's caveat...
Re-The vara site can't see a for sale area? is it open to members only
I also note that this site is very close to 500 members and only 468 on the vara site :lol: . but its does cover three bikes so ..... :cry:
Northy
landyandy
12-07-05, 01:31 PM
Yep - they have a for sale area ... you after one then?!
wheeliebin
12-07-05, 02:05 PM
I,ve PM'd Fewtrees about coming on the Isle of Skye run ( only on the tarmac bits ) but think I may have asked the wrong person. I'll see if I get a reply.
Silverman, Fewtrees is currently away in Europe, not sure when he's back.
Yep - they have a for sale area ... you after one then?!
Just looking as the wife would say, :wink: having ridden a V strom, the vara is much better if heavier.
I can't find the for sale area, so it must only be available to members which is a bit odd as free access to the for sale area would give them a bigger chance of selling stuff i.e. to non Vara owners.
Northy
Silverman
12-07-05, 02:10 PM
Cheers Wheelie.
Salad Dodger
30-07-05, 03:55 AM
I can't find the for sale area, so it must only be available to members which is a bit odd as free access to the for sale area would give them a bigger chance of selling stuff i.e. to non Vara owners.
Northy
Northy, if you register with the Vara site, the Bikes + bits for sale, Dealer Offers and Registered Member discussion boards become open to you. If people are interested in purchasing a Varadero (be it 1000 or 125), then I personally don't think registering (a username+email address) is too much to ask for. :dontknow:
Both you and Andy have commented on the Vara site not being "easy" to use, I use a fair few forums and the Vara site is no more complex than others (including this site) just a case of what you are used to.
Andy, although I am new to this site I am surprised at your comments about the Vara site "I can't say I've had much in the way of quality replies to the few posts that I have made" Were your questions answered? if not, did you not say anything? If they were, then what do you deem to be a quality reply? :scratch:
Thats IMO …… feel free to have yours :occasion5:
Salad dodger.... I will not need to view the Vara site any more .......cause I brought something else in black.! :shock:
More later
Northy
Salad Dodger
30-07-05, 05:44 PM
Salad dodger.... I will not need to view the Vara site any more .......cause I brought something else in black.! :shock:
More later
Northy
Caponord? V-Strom? KTM950 Adventure? or another AT? 8)
Maverick
30-07-05, 06:02 PM
Interesting thread and just managed to get my head out of my arse. Well owned several GS's and must be honest they did exactly what I wanted out of them. Now on the AT for the last 14k miles over 12 months and it also does what it says on the tin. Either way it is a personal choice and could not give a flying crap what who said about any of my bikes or the people I hang out with.
Either way I would not mind having another GS or actually one of them KTM 950 jobbies. Had a sit on the Varadero and not my cup of tea. At the end of the day it does not matter what you ride as long as you ride it where you want to ride it. As little as some people want to go offroading thats exactly how I feel about doing track days or wearing bars of soap on my knees.
Enjoy your fugly bikes :wink:
Caponord? V-Strom? KTM950 Adventure? or another AT? 8)
Hey it could be a Tiger, BMW ....... Its colour is called slate grey ... That's big clue ! pick it up Wednesday, I will still have @ . :)
Northy
Interesting thread and just managed to get my head out of my arse. Well owned several GS's and must be honest they did exactly what I wanted out of them. Now on the AT for the last 14k miles over 12 months and it also does what it says on the tin. Either way it is a personal choice and could not give a flying cr*p what who said about any of my bikes or the people I hang out with.
Either way I would not mind having another GS or actually one of them KTM 950 jobbies. Had a sit on the Varadero and not my cup of tea. At the end of the day it does not matter what you ride as long as you ride it where you want to ride it. As little as some people want to go offroading thats exactly how I feel about doing track days or wearing bars of soap on my knees.
Enjoy your fugly bikes :wink:
Well said Mav, my thoughts entirely, although I did use a Varadero today whilst my AT was in for a service and I must say it, I wasn't to excited about the handling.
Nice motor though............... :lol:
I'll get me coat :salute:
Dilbert
28-10-05, 02:24 PM
Ok, here's one for you, I have probably one of the oldest bikes on this site along with Modrover and a few others, Modrover is trying to get his into pretty much a standard state and I'm trying to see what I can get rid of, but still have something that looks mostly like an AT.
As and engineer I am obsessed with making things better and to me that means lighter, quicker (not the same as faster) and better handling, I would be happy with un-spoky wheels 'cos then they don't rust or react with the rims, I don't want knobblies or even half knobblies 'cos I won't be going off-road, so some nice road tyres will be fine.
Fewtrees, you know the sort of roads I ride on, mostly A roads like the A34 and A50, but also a lot of proper country lanes (Cheshire/ Derbyshire) and incidentally the track you showed looked like the sort of thing I went up on my CB750K7 all those years ago, but with a few crossings of a shallow river (for a laugh).
Now all you guys who have read so far may have decided I'm trying to build an oversized, underpowered streetfighting hooligan and that's my choice, if it does get built there will be nothing else like it so it will have "character".
I will also mostly not be riding to Poland, Germany or even France I'm a tight git so I won't want anything like a Vara or a BMW or a Pan or whatever that's expensive and with really poor mpg and I'm an old git so I won't want a modern psuedo-racer, give me a nice big sit up straight and scare the crap out off everyone bit of fun that does over 90mph and 60mpg and makes me happy.
Life's too short for bitching and if we didn't want to talk to/ exchange views with other riders why bother with a Varo section or even a TA section and who the hell are all you guys with that overweight 750 version mines the only proper one!!!!!!!!
Interesting thread and just managed to get my head out of my arse. Well owned several GS's and must be honest they did exactly what I wanted out of them. Now on the AT for the last 14k miles over 12 months and it also does what it says on the tin. Either way it is a personal choice and could not give a flying crap what who said about any of my bikes or the people I hang out with.
Either way I would not mind having another GS or actually one of them KTM 950 jobbies. Had a sit on the Varadero and not my cup of tea. At the end of the day it does not matter what you ride as long as you ride it where you want to ride it. As little as some people want to go offroading thats exactly how I feel about doing track days or wearing bars of soap on my knees.
Enjoy your fugly bikes :wink:
:withstupid:
bloody hell im worn out after reading that :shock: seriously though you buy a bike enjoy it and move on then one day you find one that you stick with until it fall apart then either restor get another or move on nobody should be chastised for what they ride (well maybee scooter riders) :lol:
Dee Duble Yuh
30-11-05, 11:36 AM
...We've got nearly 500 in the UK Varadero group and regularly get together all over the country for rides. 20 of us are off to Poland for the Varadero International Meeting near Gdansk (May 13th- 16th).
Anyone thinking of moving over to a Vara and need any info just ask... Ooh. I know it's bad form to ask how to join another forum, but here goes...
I tried to join the Honda Varadero UK Forum, but never received the confirmation e-mail I need to log on. I tried again using two other e-mail addresses but the confirmation e-mail - if it was ever sent - never arrived. Perhaps it's being filtered out by my ISP. Any solutions?
fewtrees
01-12-05, 12:34 AM
The guy you need to speak to is a chap called 'Red' on the Varadero site, he should be able to help.
Do you have spam filters on? They could be filtering genuine eMails out.. Otherwise the varadero site is usually ok with doing this..
Dee Duble Yuh
01-12-05, 07:59 PM
How do I speak to Red? I can't post to the Varadero site because I can't verify my membership. All three ISPs run their own spam filters. Nothing from the Honda Varadero UK Forum gets to my PC.
fewtrees
02-12-05, 11:11 AM
I've tried registering myself and I don't get an eMail back to confirm registration.. I can't find Red's eMail address either. I'm trying to get hold of a Varadero site member to see if I can put you in contact with Red.
careful fewtrees he might be rude to you again. :shock:
anyway what does sanctimonious mean . :?:
ahhh got it . a show of holy piety.holiness. :shock:
fewtrees you suprise me :lol: :lol:
nobody should be chastised for what they ride (well maybee scooter riders) :lol:
No Fair! I have a Vespa with clunky gears (till I sell it to buy more bits) and an @!
i stand chastised :oops: . we all have to start somewhere.
ive ridden one of those bloody things i dont know how you do it :lol: :lol:
Dee Duble Yuh
08-12-05, 09:12 AM
Thanks. I've been able to confirm my registration with the other site now. However, I think this site is even better than theirs. You're my favourite! (Did that sound genuine enough?)
africajim
25-12-05, 09:02 PM
I had to reply to this one, I'm a member of the Varadero forum, coz I've got one! As the name implies I've also had @T's, five of them.
I ran @T's for 12 yrs, I loved them all, maybe slightly more the RD03 model. I travelled over 100,000 miles on @T's and loved every minute of it. I use my bike probably 75% of the time on the road but do venture off occasionally. The pictures a few pages back of some little stoney hill? I'd have no quams about launching my Varadero up that!
Ok, here's my opinion.
The @T is a brilliant bike, it will cover miles quite happily on tar and track but show it wet grass and it will sit down, just like the Varadero. Show it reasonable surface with grip and it'll do well, just like the Varadero. Both need extras for off road. I also use full luggage for touring and find both bikes manage reasonably well. Although the Varadero will carry it slightly better due to the power.
Two yrs ago I decided to replace my @T, I couldn't find an @T at the time so after a couple of months and a lot of soul searching I thought I'd buy British so took out the Tiger for an hour. I just couldn't find anything special about the bike, I couldn't fault it, just couldn't get excited about it.
I then took out a Varadero, it was like a favourite armchair, all the switchgear was the same, the sitting position was the same, a bit more bulky but like the @T once moving you don't notice it. I loved the extra power. Ground clearance is a bit of an issue, the pegs touch down at least once a day normal driving. Otherwise, it HAD that feeling of excitement. Lifts the front wheel off the throttle. I fell in love.
I took it to Europe this Summer, 3000 miles around Switzerland, average 40mpg touring. Top speed is the rev limiter at 135mph. Like Red, I had no problems with the bike. No oil consumption, no faults. I'm not saying rush out and buy one, I know their ugly! But I did, and it's still here. I would love Honda to come up with something with the aggression, attitude and "character" of the @T but it's just not the Transalp. I hope something comes along. Meantime, I'll keep my Vara, it does the job.
Just my opinion folks.
What's this about the front wheel wobbling? News to me?
fewtrees
25-12-05, 11:24 PM
Merry Christmas africajim,
I got hacked off with Red, not his bike. I love Ducatis, but if he was riding one, I'd still try have wound him up about it. It had everything to do with personalities and nothing whatsoever to do with his bike. Varadero riders (all riders) are more than welcome (as far as I know) and we do have a token number on the site, but Red and I, are like oil and water. I may have punched low with the guy but frankly I thought from the outset he was arrogant for a visitor to the site. Before I responded to his posts I joined the Varadero site to see his posts there (on his home territory etc..) to find if I was mistaken about the guy, but to be honest I found he was equally abrasive and egotistical. This contributed towards my dislike of him and may explain why my responses seemed overly harsh. If I visited and posted on the Varadero site, I'd have been more humble and polite. It's unfortunate that when I discovered more about him, I just found more to dislike. That's essentially it.
I'd gladly show you the little stoney hill on a map, you'll find the photo is disappointingly misleading but if you do take your bike up there.. I'd buy you a few pints for sure..
I sincerely hope you will be joining us on a few events/rides or at least keep posting on the site (no reason you shouldn't..), you'll keep McVicar company and I plus everyone else always like to see new faces.. See you soon I hope and ride safe, whatever you ride :-)
Now everyone, can we please bury this damn thread!
Now everyone, can we please bury this damn thread!
Indeed. Thread now locked.
Please start new threads.
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