British justice at its finest

[AlanH]

In a nutshell, guy beats the crap out of armed robber who has been holding his family at knife point. The guy goes to jail but the armed robber (with 54 previous convictions!!!) gets a supervision order. That'll teach him

Jailed for taking on armed robber | The Sun |News

[jarl]

"However, if people were permitted to take the law into their own hands and inflict their own instant and violent punishment on an apprehended offender, rather than letting the criminal justice system take its course, then our system would collapse. "

If the justice system worked in the first place then this would never have been an issue. Proud to be British? Bah humbug.

[AlanH]

How many people would be thinking rationally after being held at knife point? Surely the instinct is survival and the effects of adrenaline and the stress of being tied up and held at knifepoint and seeing your family subjected to that too is going to make you somewhat 'unhinged' in the immediate aftermath. Aren't acts of violence associated with post traumatic stress?

I thought this quote from The Guardian's was superb...

Salem was left with a permanent brain injury after he was struck with a cricket bat so hard that it broke into three pieces.

Was it the bat or his brain that broke into three pieces That was really some beating.

Taken from here:

Self defence or malicious revenge? Jail for brothers who beat burglar with bat | UK news | The Guardian

[doglegdon]

As both sides in this story are islamic, perhaps that is the way they normally deal with those type of situations in the countries from which they, or their forbears come from. As I'm not a muslim, I have no idea, perhaps both sides thought they were in the right, both the man robbing the house at knifepoint then threatening to kill all of them and the "lynch mob" that came after him, with the assorted armoury.
In these PC days, I think it more tactful, not to make sweeping statements about this type of 'crime', for one may be condemned as a 'culturely insensitive' person.
I'm sure once they have their own independent "Sharia" law system and courts in the UK, all this type of 'sensationalist' type of journalism will soon grow used to weekly lashings, hand amputations etc etc.

[winxp-master]

It's easy to say, as we sit here warm and safe, that he went too far but, as Alan so rightly says who knows how you would react in the aftermath of such an horific ordeal? Personally i think he should not be jailed, if the criminal had not attacked him, his family and his property then he would not have been harmed. He made the decision to go out and commit that crime, the homeowner did not, the homeowner had no choice in the matter so as far as i'm concerned he's an innocent party.

I'm not saying the criminal deserved brain damage or any such horrible injury but the fact remains it was his CHOICE to go out and commit this crime, he could have stayed at home or gone to the pub and abide by the law like the rest of us... but he didn't... so fek him.

[tramp]

yeh Dogledon,
muslims/christians can be a bit hot headed [well the African type].

I lived in the Gambia for a while and many a time while out minding me own buisness [ it wasnt good to stick it where it shouldnt be] came across some thief or criminal being delt with in a brutal , life threatining way. they would rather legg it to the nearset police station or policeman and confess all than be delt with by local justice.

The moral "steal if you will or harm my family" and expect to be beaten to a pulp our Briitsh justice is "in my opinion" like a lot of our society at the moment high on moral ideals but low on delivering solutions. But at least we have freedom of speach and some sort democrasy.

Now were was that isolated island I saw for sale

[pale rider]

when you or your loved ones are threatened with extreme violence, it is only natural to retaliate and protect the things you love. and i think the law does protect people for this but only whilst the threat is actually present... once the perp has fled that point is gone and to persue them with the sole intention of hurting them in some way means that you have now become the aggressor.....and hence the wrongdoer

i can remeber being appaulled when i first read about a case where a garage premesis was burgled and the burglars fell down a man hole which had been left open the burglar broke a leg and sued the proprietor of the premises and won damages even though he should not have been there

if the act did not provide for the uninvited guests as well as invited ones it would give people a free hand in setting up all kinds of devious and deadly booby traps for anyone entering your property uninvited

poetic justice some might say, but can be manipulated for other purposes if allowed to go on......

[AlanH]

when you or your loved ones are threatened with extreme violence, it is only natural to retaliate and protect the things you love. and i think the law does protect people for this but only whilst the threat is actually present... once the perp has fled that point is gone and to persue them with the sole intention of hurting them in some way means that you have now become the aggressor.....and hence the wrongdoer

I can fully appreciate the point. I try to put myself into the shoes of this businessman. He's a successful chap and to get where he has he has to be a bit of a go-getter. In business and in life, he probably sees a problem, deals with it and moves on.
I can see it being highly likely that the effect of being held captive at knifepoint and threatened with being killed and having his family killed would switch him into an adrenaline fuelled automatic response to simply "solve the problem" without much thought for consequences. The option of calling the police may not have even occurred until it was too late and the deed was done. Yes it was an overreaction but it was a reaction to the events and circumstances.

Still, at least he is alive. The outcome could have been a lot worse for him and his family. Ultimately, nobody died. They didn't ask to be attacked in their own home. I don't think religion really comes into it anywhere. This is all about hot-headed human nature. Religion (when done by the book - whichever one) should be a regulating force.

[AIRWOLF]

A violent career criminal got dealt with in a way he understand's.

To lock the man who was his victim up is a crime. These judges don't live in the real world.

[Hotgloves]

Having read these post's without investigating the real evidence, all I can say is that if I was in the victims position and my family were threatened in such a manner then the criminal would only need 1 thing. A body bag!!
Any criminal must be prepared to receive as well as give grief.