XL125V - Baby Vara - Prestwick to Paris

[graeme0309]

Hello all, I bought a baby Vara as my first ever bike. I'd knocked around on a Suzuki before years ago when I worked summer vacation on a local farm. Anywho, my intention was just to get a put-put CB125 second hand and keep it at my folks for fun whenever I was home from France. But then I saw a baby Vara in the window of Victor Devines in Glasgow. Bought it. Rode it home to Prestwick (folks house). Left my Audi A8 in the driveway and drove my baby Vara back to Paris.

So far, I've been run over (seriously black and blue and still require a small op for a broken bone in my foot) by a lorry and twice fell off ( A:bad storm blew down a bus shelter as I drove by and got floored by a piece of the roof and B: the other accident was only my fault, lack of attention, involving driving into a giant plant pot).

Anyways. The poor thing is in bits but still rideable and I am having the time of my life on her. Question: what do I go for next? Is a Varadero 1000 just too big a leap for me? A friend is recommending a F650GS BMW as a next step. Chain driven. Reliable. Good low gravity but maintains a good saddle height for a tall guy like myself 6'3". I need something nimble enough. Whatever I get next, it is likely it will get some abuse (limited off roading for campsites and the odd off-road trails around Europe. Mostly dirt tracks and gravel in Southern Spain and Highways in Morocco).

The Magazine "TWO" (Two Wheels Only) just slammed the Trans, the Varadero and the Africa quoting "Trans and Africa = old, sluggish" and the Varadero "zero off road capabilities". I have a funny feeling someone on staff at TWO is anti-Honda trailies/enduros. Help please? Honda is good on purchase price, good service pricing, nice folks in both workshops I've been into, quick & honest. Very good economical arguement for Honda. But what model is the next logical step?

[Dee Duble Yuh]

Welcome. Hope you find this site interesting. I don't think we have many other XL125V members (the Varadero UK site is popular with 125s). It's good to hear of a 125 being treated like a proper bike. Prestwick to Paris is beyond the range of some owners of bigger bikes!!

The BMW F650 is a good bike. It is pretty good off-road and not bad on the road. Some F650s vibrate too much for me. When I was looking at that option some years ago there was no evidence of major gripes from owners on the web sites. However, I still think a Honda is going to be more reliable in the long run. The Transalp is probably as good or better than an F650. The TA is really smooth on road with enough power for almost anything (except maybe keeping up with sport-bike buddies and TWO journalists).

[GW_elder]

I had a Vara125 for a year until I did my test, which did manage a round Ireland trip albeit at max revs most of the time. Borrowed an F650GS for the test (had it a week), lots of power/torque but the single thumper not to my liking at all - too vibey (even though owner was selling at a very good price). Now on an 03 Transalp which I love - like the Vara125 but with 'wahay' acceleration and much more comfort on long trips. I felt the Vara1000 too big a step up (and beyond my licence anyhow)

[Lord Vader]

Sorry don't know nothing about the subject
but carefull i thought i was tall'ish at 6'2 till i went to my first little meet at chalsea bridge and discovered i was the smallest one

[graeme0309]

Thanks DW for the warm welcome. I am a novice rider of only a year but the baby Vara has done everything right for me so far. I have bounced her all over the place and she's held up well (apart from cracked plastic guards and fairings - easily replacable). Including some bad gravel roads and potholes. Not that I would consider ANYTHING else more severe than that for the baby Vara.

I will try and test drive a F650 GS (lots of gripes on the web concerning the CS version) and see if I can feel that vibration.

Yes, GW_elder, I know what you mean. I was concerend a few times driving so far with the rev counter nearly off the end of the scale, but the bike never overheated, didn't burn any oil, never shook, never cut out and the full consumption wasn't so bad. Most of the trucks and buses on mainland European highways are forced by law to travel at 60Kmph an hour here. So at 75 "Milesph" I flew past some of the sluggish traffic with absolute ease. The only thing I don't like is 50cc/75cc/100cc scotters burning me off at traffic lights in Paris all the time. Those gearless wonders! It's a bit embarassing cause the baby Vara's only negative: it's sluggish from "0".

Despite the baby Vara being a baby, I will be driving her to Africa this summer. Can't wait!

[FatFergie]

welcome Graeme, It looks like you're getting the best out of a great bike. Try an alp; very similar bike not that much heavier and loads more go, also very reliable.

[piguglyshandydrinker]

Hi & welcome.

First off - I'm biased. Buy an Alp.

It's the next logical step and continues the family bloodline, the GS650 may be lighter & therefore more manageable offroad, the Alp will be more refined for longer trips.

Test both & see which fit's you best.

Phil

[graeme0309]

Thanks guys for the encouragement to go check out an Alp. I am heading back to Scotland in April and I just called my father (also biker) and asked him to call Devine's Honda dealership in Glasgow to set us up a test drive on an ALP when I leave France and get back to Prestwick.

The only thing is, I've been reading these message boards in depth over the last couple of days. Lots of bright and encouraging articles regarding Alps. However, the last major overhaul of an Alp was in 2005 and I've spotted a few commentaries regarding Honda potentially scrapping the ALP.

Now I am not one for whining and moaning and wasting my time. If I see a 2007 (2005) ALP and I like it, I will buy it. I don't waste time worrying about "how am I going to re-sell this?". Discontinuation does not worry me. I'll probably have the bike for a good 3 or 4 years.

BUT! From a technological point of view.........what is the word on the street? I heard that the 700cc Deauville engine will go into an all new Africa/ALP 700cc "hybrid". Is the 700 Deauville a good engine? What type of build/ability will the bike boast? I.e. Will Honda shoot for more road than off-road bike? What is the market pushing Honda to do? Maybe a more off-road than road bike this time?

WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS LIKE HONDA TO DO? If you're an ALP rider already, would you like to see a new hybrid favour on or off-road?

[Dee Duble Yuh]

(Runs fo cover!)

[piguglyshandydrinker]

Graeme, you are asking lots of questions that unfortunately we don't have answers to!!!

A few of us quizzed Honda at the NEC without success, emails have been sent to Honda (UK) HQ without suitable reply.....

My guess is (purely a guess mind) the Alp will turn into a 'mid' sized Vara with/without a namechange and will turn into a 'lifestyle' adventure bike with overstyled image, too much complication & too much weight but with the fuel injected 700 motor from the Deuville & probably appear at the end of '07 or beginning of '08.
This would be with mag wheels (17" fr/rr), little ground clearance, 'road' suspension, no engine protection guard (or plastic one), etc

If Honda had any sense they would do the above as a Vara, and a paralell true 'dual sport/purpose' bike to fill the gap of the Africa/Transalp.
This would have true long travel suspension, spoked wheels (21" front), decent engine guard, wrap around hand guards, not too much plastic & no 'gimmicky' styling.
Don't hold your breath tho.....

Good luck with the test ride, for more info try techtransalp.co.uk

Phil