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I finally found a dry day and some time to bugger off and get the test ride on a 800GS in Wolverhampton I have had earmarked for 2 weeks, I did about 45-50 miles of M/way, Fast A road, country windy, and too much town work. Cracking sunny day too :-D

First impression after the Vara, was that I had jumped on a 250 trailie, so light and nimble I could put in a backpack and carry it with me....
Engine picked up nicely and it seemed sure footed in the traffic lights GP. Seat was urk! Footrest/seat layout was as expected, cramped, and no good for me, but that can be engineered out :)

Trundled out to the M54 and the problems started, buffeting was bad, but fair enough, I am used to a barn door screen, but the seat got worse and the vibes at about 4500rpm when I got to m'way speed of around 75 was horrible, I could feel numb-bum syndrome creeping in after 6-7 miles. Came off the m'way and had a blast up to the A5, much more like it... pick-up is super and handling solid and non scarey, not as planted as 250kg of Vara, but there you go... ;)

The seat got to be more of a PITA as I went on, but I dealt with the footpeg issue. Back roads it was pure trailie, an absolute hoot!

Back into Wolvo and I delivered it back to Benhams.

Very confused now.... I really loved the concept and idea of the bike (as was promised by SteveT and Stanbloke), but the loss of true touring ability without spending £5-600 minimum to make the bike vaguely suitable annoys me.... I wanted a modern TA or AT, but.....

I've have looked at a BMW Rallye seat that is the enduro seat that raises the seat height by 50-60mm but has "comfort issues" as it appears to be very narrow and hard too. BMW also sell their "comfort" seat at around 300 quid, but why should I have to buy a seat that enable the bike to be ridden comfortably? ;) I have used an Airhawk for years, but the Beemer standard seat is too narrow for it!

The 800GSA answers some of the questions with a better seat and layout, but is as wide as a bus!

Decisions, decisions!! Probably go and ride a GSA 800 in the next week.
 

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Fair do's to you Steve for having a go on the machine and letting us know your thoughts and feelings (of the ar#e kind ;))

Seat wise, just buy the cropped version I've got sitting in the shed and get it tailored to your needs for less than £200 - SIMPLES :D

I still reckon Stans comparison of the F8GS after his test ride is the best description- Like a Super-Moto compared to the 990 Adventure :thumbup:

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The 800GSA answers some of the questions with a better seat and layout, but is as wide as a bus!

Decisions, decisions!! Probably go and ride a GSA 800 in the next week.

The 800GSA convinced me!!

I've done just over 3000 miles on mine; all work mileage, in and out of London, and I'm pretty sure I love it.

Economy is excellent, 54-57mpg in town, so I'd expect better on a run (if I ever get a chance to do one) especially as the engine loosens up.

I'm really happy with the comfort and handling, although I do have a few minor, possibly picky, grumbles.

1) The engine just does a job (very well) but lacks the soul of a V twin. It is a bit zingey sometimes.
2) The screen isn't that good, and could possibly be a pain on a long run (I'll find out one day)
3) The heated grips could be a bit hotter
4) It's a pain in the ar$e to clean, compared to every other bike I've owned (especially the AT)
5) The BMW topbox is a bit on the small side, but is still a nice bit of kit.

I have the 800GSA Travel edition, and ticked all the options apart from the sat-nav.

I've found the ABS and Traction control to be a bit intrusive a couple of times, but I'd still have them. Comfort is spot on, gizmo's are nice, especially the computer with range, economy, etc. A fuel guage (yippee!), luggage that fits and don't rattle (yet!)

I couldn't wait any longer for Honda to produce a bike like this, so I bought a BMW; it's that simple!!!

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Very Nice Bob

I called in at a local BMW dealer and they wouldn't let me test it off road but said I could have a 15 minute test ride on road!
 

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Nice wheels Bob A, nice wheels :thumbup:

You need a Steve T sump guard on that you do :D

And you cannot be "Son of Vader", cos there ain't enough sh1te on yer bike yet for that :rolleyes: :D ;)
 

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Fair do's to you Steve for having a go on the machine and letting us know your thoughts and feelings (of the ar#e kind ;))

Seat wise, just buy the cropped version I've got sitting in the shed and get it tailored to your need for less than £200 - SIMPLES :D

I still reckon Stans comparison of the F8GS after his test ride is the best description- Like a Super-Moto compared to the 990 Adventure :thumbup:

Steve T

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I was wondering on a rebuild seat I have to say, a flat, wide middle with good foam ;-)

Yeah, I see what he means about "super moto" the way it rides and will tuck into a corner and then pick itself up out on the throttle... :-D

I have a got a few weeks if necessary to try both before I had to move the Vara on in the warmer weather.
 

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Very Nice Bob

I called in at a local BMW dealer and they wouldn't let me test it off road but said I could have a 15 minute test ride on road!
Means sods, the dealer network probably distributes phots around the country like Pubs do for Bad Boys in a town.... NO TEST RIDES!! ;)
 

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The 800GSA convinced me!!

I've done just over 3000 miles on mine; all work mileage, in and out of London, and I'm pretty sure I love it.

Economy is excellent, 54-57mpg in town, so I'd expect better on a run (if I ever get a chance to do one) especially as the engine loosens up.

I'm really happy with the comfort and handling, although I do have a few minor, possibly picky, grumbles.

1) The engine just does a job (very well) but lacks the soul of a V twin. It is a bit zingey sometimes.
2) The screen isn't that good, and could possibly be a pain on a long run (I'll find out one day)
3) The heated grips could be a bit hotter
4) It's a pain in the ar$e to clean, compared to every other bike I've owned (especially the AT)
5) The BMW topbox is a bit on the small side, but is still a nice bit of kit.

I have the 800GSA Travel edition, and ticked all the options apart from the sat-nav.

I've found the ABS and Traction control to be a bit intrusive a couple of times, but I'd still have them. Comfort is spot on, gizmo's are nice, especially the computer with range, economy, etc. A fuel guage (yippee!), luggage that fits and don't rattle (yet!)

I couldn't wait any longer for Honda to produce a bike like this, so I bought a BMW; it's that simple!!!
That bike is far too clean!!!!

Some top points Bob, I note your comment about the "zingey" engine, very different to a big V I agree.

You went for the Beemer luggage I see, gotta say i thought it didn't half make the bike wide for town work. D'ya find it an issue commuting?

How do you find the big step in the seat, I am always wary of such a backstop as i find it can stopp those important stretches if the bike is at all cramped, how tall are you?? :)

I have a deal available on a GSA Travel that looks very good indeed, but I know 3 GSA's ex demo, I had been watching that have gone in the past week! Spring is coming.


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Means sods, the dealer network probably distributes phots around the country like Pubs do for Bad Boys in a town.... NO TEST RIDES!! ;)
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Steve...I'm Captain Sensible on the Honda !
 

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You need a Steve T sump guard on that you do :D

The BMW sump guard is in the box on the seat, minus one of the major bolts needed to fit it, which is why it wasn't on. It's on now, and like the rest of the bike, has begun it's rusting process!!

Seat is fine. I traded a BMW 1200RT in for the GSA and the seat on that was sublime. Unfortunately, it was a bit lardy, and not the best thing for squeezing into London bike bays if you arrived a millesecond after 7am and the hoards of scooters beat you there!!!

The bit that signed the deal for me was, I got the trade-in I wanted, meaning I didn't lose a penny on the 1200RT, and I got the GSA for £150 a month. The old RD04 is in a state of semi-retirement for a while.


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That bike is far too clean!!!!

Some top points Bob, I note your comment about the "zingey" engine, very different to a big V I agree.

You went for the Beemer luggage I see, gotta say i thought it didn't half make the bike wide for town work. D'ya find it an issue commuting?

How do you find the big step in the seat, I am always wary of such a backstop as i find it can stopp those important stretches if the bike is at all cramped, how tall are you?? :)

I have a deal available on a GSA Travel that looks very good indeed, but I know 3 GSA's ex demo, I had been watching that have gone in the past week! Spring is coming.




NO!!!!!

The bike is a tad wide with the BMW luggage option, but after exploring other options I decided I just preferred the fit and quality of the BMW (made by Touratech apparently) boxes. The standard rack had the retaining lugs already in the right place for the side boxes, and because of a cockup in my delivery date, I wangled the topbox for free (although I bought the mounting for it). The BMW panniers actually worked out cheaper than some of the other options I considered as well.

I've had no issues with the seat at all, and the slight hump hasn't caused me any issues. I'm 6'2" with a 32" inside leg, and although the bike is apparently a bit taller than the standard GS, it's fine for me.

The oddest thing is the self cancelling indicators.


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Nice honest report Steve, are you intending trying an 800 Tiger?
Horrible screen but the motor is smooooth.

Anyway, I thought you were dead set on a 990?

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Nice honest report Steve, are you intending trying an 800 Tiger?
Horrible screen but the motor is smooooth.

Anyway, I thought you were dead set on a 990?

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The 990 is still the "dream machine" for me Phil, but a touch of common sense (again!) said look long and hard at the GS.... To be honest, I really want the big lardy Vara AND a smaller lighter ADV bike but I suspect wifely pressure may be less than happy... If the weather was not so crap, I would go and have a ride on the GSA today.

To me ALL the Triiumphs I have had a bounce on seem really cramped, a tucked up sports bike attack position is forced on you! The local dealers had a late model Tiger and I thought it was for a 5footer, not a big, overweight farmer ;-)
 

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Nice honest report Steve, are you intending trying an 800 Tiger?
Horrible screen but the motor is smooooth.



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You, you you.... shandydrinker You! :)

Now you have started me mulling on an 800xc!! Had not really looked at it before as I kinda assumed yet another Triumph pocket rocket with seating to match, yet the reviews are really very positive for the latest models.... On and off road ride reports seem really good too.

Test ride coming up next week I feel, to see if it is comfortable. Found a loaded minter so I'll see if it's VAT eligible ;-)
 

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The 800GSA convinced me!!

I've done just over 3000 miles on mine; all work mileage, in and out of London, and I'm pretty sure I love it.

Economy is excellent, 54-57mpg in town, so I'd expect better on a run (if I ever get a chance to do one) especially as the engine loosens up.

I'm really happy with the comfort and handling, although I do have a few minor, possibly picky, grumbles.

1) The engine just does a job (very well) but lacks the soul of a V twin. It is a bit zingey sometimes.
2) The screen isn't that good, and could possibly be a pain on a long run (I'll find out one day)
3) The heated grips could be a bit hotter
4) It's a pain in the ar$e to clean, compared to every other bike I've owned (especially the AT)
5) The BMW topbox is a bit on the small side, but is still a nice bit of kit.

I have the 800GSA Travel edition, and ticked all the options apart from the sat-nav.

I've found the ABS and Traction control to be a bit intrusive a couple of times, but I'd still have them. Comfort is spot on, gizmo's are nice, especially the computer with range, economy, etc. A fuel guage (yippee!), luggage that fits and don't rattle (yet!)

I couldn't wait any longer for Honda to produce a bike like this, so I bought a BMW; it's that simple!!!

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They are close to the ATs aren't they

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Steve, you'll find the Tiger 800XC just as you have described, cramped and more race prone. If you moved the pegs on a Varadero you'll not be impressed with the Tiger! The pegs are higher and further back compared to the @T or Vara, giving it a sporty feel. I liked the seating position of it, liked the bike in general but would never have another new Triumph.
Many have had decent ones and some even have found a decent dealer so I wouldn't put anyone off the Tiger, I loved mine,,,, when it wasn't at the dealers, hence no more!
 
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