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I need to create and publish a website a bit sharpish. I'm pretty good with stuff and expect to start tonight ( using the mac's iWeb application ) and be ready to publish to the net real quick . Having not had my own site before, I have never found the need to learn the site publishing part of things. I'm with BT broadband.Can they host my site? I've looked at Apples "mobile me" service which seems to offer web hosting too,but I'm really uninformed about how to go about it. Will BT or apple for example give me www.joebloggs.bt.com, or www.joebloggs.Apple.com ? Or do I need to get a separate web address from a third party? What will it cost ? I know I could research all this but I'd like to see if I could bypass all that "doody" with the knowledge of the XRV'ers. Ta very much, Soho :)
 

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The first thing to do is decide on the .co.uk domain you want - yournamehere.co.uk

Go to 123-reg.co.uk , register for an an account and register the domain.

Next you'll need hosting which rather depends on what you want to do with the site. If it's a basic low-traffic site then I'd go here...
Shared Hosting UK | Shared Server Hosting | PHP Shared Web Site Hosting | Clook Internet Services UK

If you need some hand-holding then I run a web consultancy business. We don't normally do just hosting but as you're an XRV.org.uk regular, I could make an exception and match Clook's prices.

As you can't PM at the moment, post your email address and I'll send you my contact details. It could all be up and running tonight if you need it that quick.
 

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Nick

There are much better people on here to answer the technical aspects, but here's my ha'pennys worth.

I use UKDomains, who will sell you a domain name, and then host it for an annual cost, and provide an email service as well.

Use their search box and enter a domain name which best suits your requirements. Try to get a .com name if possible, as most people think in .com, although most of the good names are gone. If you can think of something applicable and memorable it may still be available. Next choice would be a .co.uk name, and anything after that .biz for example would be my last choice.

Good Luck mate


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Try to get a .com name if possible, as most people think in .com, although most of the good names are gone. If you can think of something applicable and memorable it may still be available. Next choice would be a .co.uk name, and anything after that .biz for example would be my last choice
That used to be the case but nowadays the preference is shifting towards .co.uk if a business is UK specific as people have a preference for a UK site. If you do that, check what is hosted on the .com as you don't want people going to a competitor or a porn site ;)
 

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Soho,

Ignore these so called Experts (except Alan who is an expert). Do not go with BT as they offer very little for a lot of money.

I teach a build your own website course (next week as it happens). I can send you some notes and instructions by email.

If you go with Web Hosting UK | Dedicated Servers | VPS Web Hosting you can get a domain name and then webhosting for less.

You can then install Wordpress and use that. I did the zebra's website, my Chriswheal.com website and many others using this. I set up the Longest day site and others have taken over as it is pretty easy to use.

I can spend a bit of time helping you with it if you like.
 

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If you go with Web Hosting UK | Dedicated Servers | VPS Web Hosting you can get a domain name and then webhosting for less
If reliability is important, don't buy on price. Chris may have good experiences with Web Hosting UK but overall the reviews are mixed...

WebHosting UK Review, User Reviews of WebHosting UK
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Soho, it depends what you need the site for and how important it is. Web Hosting UK may be perfectly fine for what you need it for - but if it's anything more than a hobby site, maybe consider something more reliable.

If you go with Clook, their support is very responsive. If you went with ours, you'll have a phone number to call and speak to me if something goes wrong - and I run our servers. Stuff like cPanel, Wordpress etc. can be provided too if that's what you need but if you are just looking at getting something up together with iWeb and uploading it via FTP, Wordpress may be overcomplicated.
 

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Alan may well be right, but I have a good relationship with webhosting and they seem to jump when I say jump. They know many people who do my course sign up with them so they tend to react if I ask them to.

I have never had a problem with them. I fully expect to - that is the nature of technology - but I expect to be able to get it sorted faster than when I tried to deal with BT.

Were I trying to set up a professional website for a client, I'd pay Alan though, not just for the server but for the site set up etc. For a one man band that you can run your self and with god search engine optimisation the Wordpress solution works fine.

35 of the world's top blogs use Wordpress. 19% use the AOL software I have to use professionally every day and I wish AOL would switch to Wordpress.
 

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Thanks people for getting right on it ! :thumbup: It's now 11.00pm Cabby arrived at my place 'bout 4hrs ago and he's just left. :rolleyes: We just ate all the food in the fridge & oven.Talked the the usual bo**ox which had nothing to do with websites, so I'll have to start tomorrow.

So....... I get Joebloggs.co.uk for a one off £2.99p & then sort a host right ?
I'm still thinking of using Apples mobile me as a host. It's 59 quid for the year.(I'm a total mac type :))

My site will not be too complex. Just offering basic information about my history in the entertainment and music biz'. So that I can refer people to a website rather than sending emails to folk all the time ! Now that I'm unable to ride, I have to do some real work and up until now I've always had personal management for my musical career , but I reckon the website will be all I need to bring in the work. (he says :rolleyes:)

So can I get a "Yeah" for signing with mobile me,or would that be really stupid ? (you DO get a free 60 day trial,so obviously I'd take the trial first !)

As mentioned, I can turn my hand to pretty much anything so I don't see any prob's getting all the content I want , formulated with just Photoshop/Illustrator and iWeb apps.....Or again,am I just being stupid.:confused: :)
 

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So can I get a "Yeah" for signing with mobile me,or would that be really stupid ? (you DO get a free 60 day trial,so obviously I'd take the trial first !)
No, don't do that. If I understand the blurb right, MobileMe will only allow you to publish to a www.somenamehere.me.com account included with it - or to your own hosting account for your own .co.uk/.com (or whatever) domain. This means that to host on your own domain you STILL need to buy hosting. If you need a reliable and professional site to bring work in, what you need is proper hosting, a proper domain name, a proper email address (will be sorted out with hosting) and a site strategy.

We've done various things for bands and the entertainments industry in the past. We're currently working on a site to replace this old one we did years ago:
Power Generation for the Events Industry from Show Sparx Limited
Those are the guys who put up 17km of festoon lighting at Glastonbury - but they also do small scale stuff like power for a wedding marquee.

This is one of our sites:
AC/DC Tribute Band - UK - Hells Bells
...and all of it is managed by the band using a straightforward handcrafted CMS system we built for them as they are non-technical. They can embed YouTube videos, add gigs etc without going anywhere near XHTML code, FTP logons or anything like that. They use Facebook and YouTube to great effect too - and if you want to see an AC/DC tribute band they are pretty damned good :thumbright:

As mentioned, I can turn my hand to pretty much anything so I don't see any prob's getting all the content I want , formulated with just Photoshop/Illustrator and iWeb apps.....Or again,am I just being stupid.:confused: :)
No, you are on the ball. Maybe. The iWeb app and an FTP account to a live webserver will get you started and able to play around. Ultimately, whether it is a good idea depends whether you are any good at it ;) The web is full of awful sites where people who can turn their hand to pretty much anything decide to become web developers overnight:rolleyes:. However, with iWeb's templates you can't go too far wrong (hopefully).

I'm not averse to setting up a test hosting account and an FTP logon for you to have a play if you want. You could do that even before registering the domain - although my advice would be to get that done via 123-reg.co.uk independently of any hosting. It'll cost £7.99 for two years for a .co.uk domaain. In my experience 123-reg are one of the best for domains but their hosting is utter pants.

Drop me an email with a landline number tomorrow if you want to have a chat. Try my throwaway email address: ############
 

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Well, I started fiddling at 11.30pm. It's now 4.30am & the website is now finished and ready to publish ( Five pages ). I'm pretty impressed :). Just read the latest posts here. Alan I've taken it all in but I'm too knackered to do any more tonight. Thanks for the advice. :thumbup: I will sort the site name.co.uk later today & probably ask for some hosting help laters peeps....... Sooo tired now ! zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)
 

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Even if you're planning to buy and use a .co.uk domain, if this is for something work/business related, then it might be an idea to check if the .com and .net names are also available.

If they are, then it's usually a good idea to buy those too (even if you only end up permanently redirecting them to your main .co.uk site). For the price of domain names nowadays it's worth it just to protect those names so you own them imho. Godaddy.com offers some of the best prices for .coms and .nets (do a search for 'godaddy coupon' before ordering and you'll find tons of discount codes for ordering). If you use godaddy then you need to be careful not to buy all the addons they try to sell you while ordering that you won't need.

The .com and .net domain names are attractive to domain speculators (.com's generally being worth more than .co.uks) and if you don't register them, then there's a very good chance that once you have your site up and running, someone else might (and at that point if/when it happens it'll be far more costly to get the domain or buy the domain from them). This happens more commonly than you might imagine.

The other advantage of having the .com permanently redirecting to your main site, is if someone remembers your site name, but remembers it as '.com' then they still get to your site, rather than ending up on a holding or advertising page (or worse) somewhere else.

Another thing to look out for, is to make sure that your domain name is set to automatically renew and for them to re-bill you automatically at renewal (or at least that they notify you several times when the domain name is coming up for renewal). Otherwise you'll need to be very careful to make sure you renew it each time, as if you forget and put off renewing for any length of time, then it's possible renewal will cost more during what they call the 'redemption period' and beyond that likely be snapped up by domain speculators who buy up expired domains (due to the way the domain system works for registrars many can do this for free for a period so it happens quite often).

If this is something you're just starting with, Whealies suggestion for wordpress is pretty good imho as it's quick to set up and easy to use and there's lots of nice free (and paid professional) templates available for it. It's also very extendable with plugins and widgets that can be installed and used easily to provide all sorts of extra features, and make the site more search engine friendly (without you having to get too far into the technical details of what's going on if you don't want to).

If you get a linux/cpanel based hosting account with 'fantastico' available you can have wordpress (and many other systems like it) up and running within literally a few clicks and a couple of minutes to play around with (though it's a good idea to check the version number installed by fantastico to make sure it's the latest release then if not run an upgrade on it to ensure it has all the latest security patches etc).

I don't know much about apple web authoring applications, but generally wysywyg editors are pretty bad unless you're using perhaps dreamweaver (the only half decent one in my experience) and know how to use it well (most people who create websites for a living will be coding by hand in a text editor in my experience).

With wordpress it's likely that you can find a nice template that you like so you don't even need to worry about that side of things to get yourself started, and it seperates the content from the design enough that you can change the design at will, without having to edit individual pages. So if you later decide to redesign your site then you can just change a few templates and the whole site (no matter how big) will reflect that. Not sure if this apple authoring software uses a modular/template based approach like that, but it's something to watch out for. "Easy to use" web authoring software quite often turns out to be exactly the opposite when it comes to maintaining or updating websites further down the line.
 

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P.S. Alans mention of not going on price alone when buying web hosting is very wise! The web hosting industry is like the wild west at times, and due to the availability of cheap reseller accounts, there are lots of kids out there (some of them litterally children) running hosting operations based upon unsustainable business models.

Not that there aren't good hosts that offer good prices, but I'd be careful of offers that are very cheap and combined with "unlimited bandwidth" "unlimited disk space" offers (often a bad sign).
 

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there are lots of kids out there (some of them litterally children) running hosting operations based upon unsustainable business models
...wise words. I was contacted by one so called host that was run from a PC under a kids desk on his parents ADSL line. The little toerag had the cheek to spam me with his "services" on offer. Needless to say, his business was offline (legally) in under 6 hours :D.
 

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...wise words. I was contacted by one so called host that was run from a PC under a kids desk on his parents ADSL line. The little toerag had the cheek to spam me with his "services" on offer. Needless to say, his business was offline (legally) in under 6 hours :D.
:D On the plus side, that's quite enterprising I suppose and beats him hanging around the streets.

I know a few people in the web hosting industry and used to hang out at webhostingtalk a bit, and some of the stories I've come across over the years are crazy.
 

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Thanks again peeps for all advice. I have now completely finished my site now. Probably took six hours or so ( mostly on writing content ) and I'm well impressed.( plenty more content to be added in due course). Back in the late 90's. I bought Dreamweaver to get a site going and I spent weeks faffin' about with it.The biz' I wanted to promote was long gone before I got my head around the app'. :rolleyes:

Well the name I want is available at 123-reg | Domain names | Domain name registration. So I just need decide now who to go for as a host ? I'm thinking of going with Web Hosting UK as Wheelie is local to me and at hand for advice(I think :rolleyes:). I'm hoping to have a word with him tonight.

I must say building a site is a bit like fettling a bike.You just don't know when to stop ! ..........I'm sure it's ready to publish !..or is it ? :D
 

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Nick,
I am working in Clerkenwell until about 4.30pm, then plodding over towards the 100 Club on Oxford Street where I have tickets to see The Men They Couldn't Hang. I am meeting a mate for dinner beforehand, so I could see you then 5/6ish.

Alternatively, Bob A is popping round Saturday afternoon to drop off a wheel, so why not swing by here for coffee.:cool:
 

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It was all looking so good and going so well. Paid for my hosting yesterday. Got payment and Registration conformation email,but no welcome mail with the Login details (still !). After a long apologetic chat with our friends out east. I got the user details and although I can now access the online control panel, my website app won't respond to attempts at publishing with the FTP settings I have been given (and where do I find a directory path FFS ?) The support guy surely tried but with his accent and a one second time delay I can't face another half hour of support from India. My head hurts now :(. I'm putting it all on hold to do something more enjoyable for the rest of the weekend :).

Apples,mobile me may not be a favourite, but at least I would have had my site up with just a couple of clicks ! :rolleyes:
 
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