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Some folks may be interested to see the Ural chair which has recently been fitted to my trusty @, supplied & fitted by sidecar specialist Watsonian who fabricated a bespoke sub-frame which connects the Ural chassis to the bike's frame. Watsonian gave me some good tuition before we rode the 200 miles back to Kent.....unsurprisingly, with asymmetrical geometry, it's nothing like riding a bike, car or conventional 3-wheeler.
We're off with the outfit next month to tour S. America :)


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Here's another. A French fully-homologated AT w/ sidecar. 15" wheels all around and correct (stronger) front suspension. It belongs to a friend living in the Alps.








 

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Interesting.
 
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Looking great, a very tidy job.
:thumbup: Is that a slightly wider front rim and what tyres are you using ? (Sorry to be nosey, but my AT outfit gets only 1200 or so miles out of a TKC80 :().
You'll really notice it's not a bike when you have to lean out of the fairing protection at 85mph just to keep it down on a fast bend !!! :D.

Some more photo's if you have the time ? :)
 

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Strong maybe..but ugly as sh*t innit ? :D
The original fork is not designed to sustain the much higher lateral load that comes with a sidecar. Actually, the original fork is not designed for any lateral load at all because the bike leans in corner while a bike w/ sidecar stays upright.
 

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Nice one Mark, pass my regards to Debbie x x

Bike looks good :thumbup:
 
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Lee, on that outfit does the upper attachment for fork have a horizontal pivot incorporated?, I hope so otherwise every time the fork compresses the upper tubes will have to bend to accomodate the arc of the leading link, meaning the bushes wouldnt last long and the tubes would fatigue
Have to say it looks a bit of a bodge, would be better to do a full new front end than using the original fork.
 

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Lee, on that outfit does the upper attachment for fork have a horizontal pivot incorporated?, I hope so otherwise every time the fork compresses the upper tubes will have to bend to accomodate the arc of the leading link, meaning the bushes wouldnt last long and the tubes would fatigue
Have to say it looks a bit of a bodge, would be better to do a full new front end than using the original fork.
Before assuming and passing judgement, I suggest checking homologation requirements and verify what is needed to get certified.

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Before assuming and passing judgement, I suggest checking homologation requirements and verify what is needed to get certified. Lee
Blimey It wasn't a statement about Homologation, I know jack sh1t about that, it was an engineering question, which you seem to know jack shit about.
 

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Looking great, a very tidy job.
:thumbup: Is that a slightly wider front rim and what tyres are you using ? (Sorry to be nosey, but my AT outfit gets only 1200 or so miles out of a TKC80 :().
You'll really notice it's not a bike when you have to lean out of the fairing protection at 85mph just to keep it down on a fast bend !!! :D.

Some more photo's if you have the time ? :)
Hi Soho,
Watsonian advised that the 21" OE wheel would be too puny and would be subject to more flex than a smaller/wider rim. So, I had Hagon build a 1.85 wide x 19" wheel using an Akront rim with s/s spokes and an OE hub taken from a 'spare' AT I happen to have! The tyre is an Avon Sidecar Triple Duty which should last 20,000 miles plus - another outfit I know quite well (F800GS+Ural) had this tyre and got well over 20k miles out of it www.sidecartravels.co.uk
The rear tyre's a TKC 70 which I hope should last 8k-10k miles. Watsonian had hoped to fit a 170 wide car tyre but unfortunately there's not the width inside the swing arm. I had TKC 80's on my solo AT for years and generally got 5k-6k miles out of the rear and up to 10k from the front....getting a paltry 1200 miles out of your TKC's, you must surely rag it off road!!?:lol:
Sidecar tyre is an 18" Heidenau Nele....how long it lasts remains to be seen!
I'll gladly post more pics....any in particular, e.g. of the sub-frame & mounting points, or just general ones?
And yeah, it's nothing like a bike when taking bends at any speed....it's far more fun :lol: I think I've got the knack quite well now, and find it's far easier with a bit of ballast (as I say when my wife's in the chair!) Still got to get to chair properly airborne, though!
 

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Nice one Mark, pass my regards to Debbie x x

Bike looks good :thumbup:
Thanks for that, Paul. Debbie's well and may be sharing the driving of the outfit - just have arrange some practise on a bit of private land over the next few weeks!

Can I ask.....given your RD07A has done some 88k miles, have you had to renew the clutch plates/springs? I'm thinking of taking a spare set of plates & springs for my 07A which has now done 53k miles, and it would be interesting to know if you're still on the originals?
Aside from that, I'll be taking a rec/reg, Facet fuel pump, wheel & head bearings, fork seals, cables, calliper seals, OE front sprocket, and possibly a carb diaphragm. Plus usual bits such as tools, tubes & patches, chain links, nuts/bolts/washers/ties, plugs etc. Any other bits you would take?
 

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Don't like it! Where's the DP28 mount?! :)

Just joking. Looks great! :thumbup: Hope you have a great tour!
Haha.....hoping we won't need anything like a DP28 to us to through the trip!! All I have is my wit & charm:lol:
 

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Looks nice,

I thought I would add this,



This Africa Twin belongs to Julian & Lorena who have been traveling RTW for about 15 years now, they recently added a side car.
The engine has over 400,000km also ;)


Traveling The World Two Up on a 1989 Africa Twin 650.

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Hi Soho,
Watsonian advised that the 21" OE wheel would be too puny and would be subject to more flex than a smaller/wider rim. So, I had Hagon build a 1.85 wide x 19" wheel using an Akront rim with s/s spokes and an OE hub taken from a 'spare' AT I happen to have! The tyre is an Avon Sidecar Triple Duty which should last 20,000 miles plus - another outfit I know quite well (F800GS+Ural) had this tyre and got well over 20k miles out of it www.sidecartravels.co.uk
The rear tyre's a TKC 70 which I hope should last 8k-10k miles. Watsonian had hoped to fit a 170 wide car tyre but unfortunately there's not the width inside the swing arm. I had TKC 80's on my solo AT for years and generally got 5k-6k miles out of the rear and up to 10k from the front....getting a paltry 1200 miles out of your TKC's, you must surely rag it off road!!?:lol:
Sidecar tyre is an 18" Heidenau Nele....how long it lasts remains to be seen!
I'll gladly post more pics....any in particular, e.g. of the sub-frame & mounting points, or just general ones?
And yeah, it's nothing like a bike when taking bends at any speed....it's far more fun :lol: I think I've got the knack quite well now, and find it's far easier with a bit of ballast (as I say when my wife's in the chair!) Still got to get to chair properly airborne, though!

Thanks for the response :thumbup:
Mine is in the workshop now till next year. Low milage, only total 26000 of which 6500 with the sidecar. But it's had some hard offload adventures so I'm now working on "Tuffing & Tarting" it up a bit. Your wheels look sensible, and I do have some spare hubs front and back. Did you have a new rear rim too ? I'd like to try and get a 160 tyre in there. Some shots of your mounting points would be nice. I have Hagon heavy duty springs up front and they still aren't enough, what do you have ?
After riding London to Barbastro plus a hand full of long mountain trails the tyre was shot ! Lucky for me a local Spanish lad took my tyres off to his mate an fitted the new one whilst I sipped at a "con leche" :thumbup: like you I now have TKC70's fitted but can't report how good they are yet.
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If your doing a BIG trip, you may want to think about a Fournales air shock on the rear. Brilliantly reliable and they don't go bust - just put more air in ! I had one on my Dommie outfit and it was great.
 

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I thought I would add this,



This Africa Twin belongs to Julian & Lorena who have been traveling RTW for about 15 years now, they recently added a side car.
The engine has over 400,000km also ;)
Hey, thanks for that. I have found their web site www.porsiemprelamoto.com which makes interesting reading....real adventure motorcycling as indeed yours is!
 

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Did you have a new rear rim too ? I'd like to try and get a 160 tyre in there. Some shots of your mounting points would be nice. I have Hagon heavy duty springs up front and they still aren't enough, what do you have ?
Hi Soho,
the rear wheel is a 17" 140 wide SM Pro with stainless spokes.....both wheels were rebuilt with SM Pro rims few years ago. The 19" Akront I put on the front of the outfit was using a spare hub so I could keep the 21" SM Pro front wheel to use elsewhere.
The front forks have the OE springs which seem ok for the outfit. Re. the rear shock, I replaced the OE one with a Nitron shock a couple of year ago, which also seems fine for the outfit. When I picked up the outfit from Watsonian, they said the outfit was was a really nice ride even with the standard forks etc. Here's some more pics of the mounting points:
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