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I've posted this on the seperate Camping forum, but thought I'd put it in here too.

I haven’t been camping for donkeys years, and have to confess that I never really cared for it very much. It always ended up being a cold, wet & quite miserable experience!

But without camping I’m missing out on such a lot of trips which I’d like to do, so I’m giving serious thought to giving it another go. Can anyone give me some basic tips on how to make sure I enjoy (or at least can bear) my camping trips? And when going on a bike, where do you put your wet gear?
 

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Get a tent that pitches flysheet first. especially handy when wet when taking down, as you have a dry area to pack everything before the tent comes down.

Get a decent sized tent (not like mine :confused:) more room equals more space to store stuff dry and useful for packing up. I was looking for a 3 man tent as my new tent.
Wet stuff, bring some bin liners, easy to store and useful for packing wet gear.

Also if you are just trying to get back into it, try a weekend away or night , when the forecast is very good. Then you will maybe get the bug again , and not get disheartened by the weather.

good luck
 

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Be warm and comfortable. Thermarest self-inflating mattress and warm sleeping bag.
 

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When it's wet, it's wet. Not much you can do about it. I don't know what kind of tent you have , but a tunnel-tent usually has a nice big atrium and you can leave your wet gear there.

Have a foot print for the tent (could be openout rubble bags: if you need more than one for the sruface area of the tent, iron the edges of two bags together using foil as protection) so that you can kneel, sit, spread stuff out on a dry surface.

Another option is a tarp. It's a square section of waterproof material, much like a tent flysheet, and usually 3m x 3m, but folds down nice and small. I have sometimes pegged mine on the far side of the tent, then pulled it over the tent and pegged it on the other side, to give my tent an extended canopy. You can use two sticks to keep the canopy high, just think where water will run off. Or you can park your bike near by and tie it to that, but be sure to put the sidestand down facing the tent. This awning will allow you to sit outside, even in crappy weather. One of those small tripod stools would be nice.

So, assuming you have a decent sized porch to your tent, a stool (£5), a ground sheet (£3-4) and a tarp (£20 bought, £5-10 homemade with some tarpaulin, and some peg-hole rivets) and your shelter will be much homier!!
 

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hi knobbly:blah5:

bascally breaks down into 2 camps, you take everything but the garden sink like "datsun fan" or like "bazza" basic basha and a jetboil:cool:.

some eat out saving on the cooking stuff or have like me the basic fuel stove,2small pans well kears my list.

Camping list stuff​
Tent- poles,pegs,hammer
Sleeping bag + Bivi bag + Pillow + sleeping mat
Cooker + fuel container + lighter
Pans + lid + small pan
Head Light and led lights

Medical kit- all medical details on usb pen and next of kin.
Headache tablets- all types
Imodium
Bug cream + Antiseptic cream + anti mosquito cream/spray
Plasters
Re-hydrate pack
Laxative
Anti-histamines
Ear plugs

Cooking stuff-
Knife [2]
Fork [2]
Tea spoon [2]
Desert spoon [1]
Wooden spatula
Corkscrew/bottle opener/can opener
Sharp med knife-chopping/cutting/peeling
Scissors
Thermal cup
Measure jug?
Washing up liquid + non stick scourer + tea towel
Tea bags
Sugar
Powdered milk
Cappucino sachets
Water carrier 10ltr
Plate/dish
1 ltr thermos flask






Wash Stuff
Soap + soap powder[clothes washing]
Toothpaste
Hair shampoo
Shower gel
Shower sqeege
Wet wipes
Razor + skin cream
Toothbrush + floss
Hairbrush + deodorant + talc
Toilet roll [2]
Med/small bath towe[1]

Clothing
Motorbike jacket + Trousers + Boots (insert in winter)
Sandels
Zip off Trousers [ to make shorts]
Fleece [1]
Long sleeved tea shirt [ 2]
Short sleeved shirt [1]
Socks [4]
Under pants [4]
Thermal hat and gloves [ cold weather only]
Sunglasses
Helmet + gloves [weather dependant]
Camera + spare batteries
Sat nav + route cards
Maps
Phrase books
Calculator
Phone
MP3 player and 12v lead



Motorbike spares
Fuses
Duct tape-very sticky
Superglue [also for medical use]

Abroad travel and uk
Copy of all documents
Health insurance card
Breakdown details + Recovery
Driving licence
Credit card + hidden one
Passport
mini compressor for tyres
sos card



this covers all eventualities and fits in 2 side panniers [honda type] a top box and carry the tent and matt etc in a Drybag on the rear seat, I take whats needed and if i dont use it dont take it next time.
 

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If you have to priortise, I'd second Whealie's advice and put a dry, comfortable bed at the top of the list. If you can get a good night's kip, you can cope with pretty much anything. Lack of sleep removes your sense of humour, your patience, your ability to think around problems and your ability to enjoy it all. I lived under canvas for three years, and found nothing to beat a thermarest (the extra thick one makes a BIG difference, and doesn't weigh or cost much more) and a good bag. If other stuff breaks, you can often improvise ( I once cooked a meal over a fire of dried goose **** when the stove broke), but unless you're one of those lucky s*ds who can sleep on a fence post, get your bed sorted. And travel somewhere warm and dry!
 

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In my experience above all else get a big warm sleeping bag, it can make the difference between enjoying and hating camping....Spend as much as you can afford on it, My extra large Igloo bag was bought from Towsure its suposed to be comfortable down to -20 its 1 meter wide across the chest area and 200 long (plenty of room to move about, unlike the standard sized offerings) the pack size aint particulary small but its worth the extra bulk and it cost £50 on special offer :thumbup: oh and don't forget a roll mat, It'll give you that layer of insulation between you and the ground
 

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in my experience above all else get a big warm sleeping bag, it can make the difference between enjoying and hating camping....spend as much as you can afford on it, my extra large igloo bag was bought from towsure its suposed to be comfortable down to -20 its 1 meter wide across the chest area and 200 long (plenty of room to move about, unlike the standard sized offerings) the pack size aint particulary small but its worth the extra bulk and it cost £50 on special offer :thumbup: Oh and don't forget a roll mat, it'll give you that layer of insulation between you and the ground


also zipping up your sleeping bag helps more than anything :d:d:d:d:d
 

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this is a very good light tent ,you even leave the inner in tent inside for quicker pitching and breaking camp,as you see a very large storage/cooking area it's about 12ft long by 6ft wide and 4ft high at its highest part only wieghs about 5lbs :thumbup: the dogs danglers:nike:
 

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I'd echo the point about having somewhere to keep wet gear out of the main bedroom area of the tent.

I had this problem on a kids weekend when I had my old Vango Force Ten.

My daughter and I we soaked and had to keep our wet gear in the tent with us. Everything got damp.

The Kyham Biker alleviates this as all the wet gear can be left in the porch - and loads of room to spread it out and hang it up to dry.

Having an injured knee, made worse in Ullapool crawling through my tent, I may invest in one that allows me to be more upright in future. But that's old age and dodgy bones for you.
 

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Get a tent with a seperate space at front and rear - must be for 2 persons or 3

Always use a proper thermarest type mattress or you will freeze to death.

Get a proper 3 season down bag and a Snugpak jacket

and Never ever share a tent

The rest is upto you.
 

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As said already the tent should have a porch.
A decent sleeping bag and mat inflatable is best.
Do not be tempted to take too much kit with you, a couple of days worth of kit is best and the ability to dry it even if that involves a trip to the laundrette.
 

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Get a proper 3 season down bag
Yes and no.

Yes, they're lovely and they pack away to next to nothing.

No, because they cost a bloody fortune and if your tent leaks you're going to hate yourself because down bags get coooold when they're wet.
 

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Whatever you can afford for the best sleeping bag, get it! if you are warm you sleep, if you sleep you can cope with whatever is next. I got the vango viper 1000 down sleeping bag and it's toasty warm, just a bit small for me so i may have alook at what DC got :D

Have a bivvy for backup, i have one as i use a down sleeping back and if that gets wet im fooked so take a bivvy just incase theres any tent disasters.

Get a tent you can stand up in, i did and it was sooo much more comfortable at the last national being able to stand up in a nice big porch area and also sit in there and cook etc.

I tried the mats and there sh!te, if you can wake up and still be on it then it's a miracle. Get a double air bed (about £10) and they take about 30 seconds to inflate using a £5 12v air thingymajig from go outdoors (12v accessory point needed on bike obviously)

Spend £30...on...a stove, kettle and cup... first thing on a morning and its freezing theres nothing like firing up the burner in the porch area for a brew. Instant heat and a nice warm drink makes the world of difference.

Oh yes, and this is one i used at the last national that was a godsend, take a hot waterbottle, a few minutes to boil some water = a few hours of blissful heat on the feet :D



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In my experience above all else get a big warm sleeping bag, it can make the difference between enjoying and hating camping....Spend as much as you can afford on it, My extra large Igloo bag was bought from Towsure its suposed to be comfortable down to -20 its 1 meter wide across the chest area and 200 long (plenty of room to move about, unlike the standard sized offerings) the pack size aint particulary small but its worth the extra bulk and it cost £50 on special offer :thumbup: oh and don't forget a roll mat, It'll give you that layer of insulation between you and the ground
Hey DC
you forgot to mention importance of a good fully-functioning zip for those colder nights:D
 

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Whatever you can afford for the best sleeping bag, get it! if you are warm you sleep, if you sleep you can cope with whatever is next. I got the vango viper 1000 down sleeping bag and it's toasty warm, just a bit small for me so i may have alook at what DC got :D

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You want a bag with a broken zip? No. hang on, just remembered, the zip wasn't broken - just very difficult to do up after a night on the ale! :D

Seriously though get a good sleeping bag. Synthetic fills might not be as warm as a dry down bag but they are still warm when damp. Which is good when you don't have a huge porch to store your wet gear in.

And always try to avoid having to put a tent up for the first time in the dark! :D
 

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from my brief experiences:- dont attempt to put a khyam biker up whilst drunk..... dont bother with the self-inflating mats unless your a californian surfer.:D winxp was right, the blow up airbeds did turn out to work best for me and the mrs.

and dont sit over the stove for warmth or you'll go to bed with a splitting headache...:banghead:
 

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And don't pitch your tent next to DC's tent. :joker:
 

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best night kip ive had camping was one summer using only the flysheet of the tent, and i had one of those canvas wire framed folding beds from argos that pack up to nowt and a thin cheap sleepng bag. comfier than my bed at home
BUT:
i would never use it inside a tent inner, the wire legs would soon wear through the groundsheet,
and after three nights it tore, im not a light chap unfortunately,
and not using the tent inner was a big mistake i was eaten alive by mozzies and there were slugs on everything when i got up, including inside my crash helmet
 
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