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yet another Dave
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Motorcyclists at the head of a group of riders will face stiffer penalties for
speeding under a crown court ruling.

Being the lead rider in a group is an aggravating factor making you partly
responsible for speeding offences of those behind you according to the decision.

The ruling can be applied in any future cases where two or more motorcyclists
riding together are accused of speeding. The head rider might be only a few mph
over the limit but could be given the same penalty as the worst offender behind.

Road traffic solicitor Robert Dobson said: "Any crown court decision can be
stated in future cases. This is potentially a very dangerous judgement for

"Riders in a group change position frequently.

"If you are riding at the front any group at excess speed, then the very fact
you're at the front is an aggravating factor."

Ken Clark, 49, reached 85mph on his Yamaha R1 while leading a group of three
riders on the 60mph A272 near Rogate, Sussex, last June.

The speed is within the usual threshold for a fixed penalty of three points and
a £60 fine.

But Chichester Crown Court ruled he should receive the same penalty as a
following rider accused of going 103mph.

Barrister notes on the ruling given to Clark after the hearing state: `Although
his was the lesser speed, [the bench] found it an aggravating feature that he
was the lead motorcyclist, was setting the pace and he knew that the other two
motorcyclists would want to catch him up and would be speeding to do so.'

Sign the petition to overturn this ruling.

http://petitions. number10. Biker-Fined/

Angered that under the Chancellor's recent pre-budget report, road tax rates for motorcycles are set to increase this year, the British Motorcyclists Federation have set up a petition on the No 10 website asking the Prime Minister to intervene and stop the increases.

The bmf say that at a time of economic hardship and when sales of motorcycles are already down some 27% year on year, it makes no sense for any government to increase taxes on motorcycle ownership.

Unlike the car world where motorists and the motoring industry have benefited from the car scrappage scheme, conversely, due to the weak pound, the price of motorcycles has increased and now motorcyclists are to be faced with a Vehicle Excise Duty increases of between 4% and 6% - and this at a time when the Consumer Prices Index is only 1.9%!

The bmf's Government Relations Executive Chris Hodder said: "This is all wrong. While in monetary terms the increases of between £2 and £4 are admittedly quite small, it's not about the numbers, it's about the principle of increasing owner taxation at a time of economic hardship when the motorcycle industry is struggling to stay solvent."

The bmf are asking that in this election year, all motorcyclists should sign-up to show the strength of feeling over motorcyclists and motorcycling being treated unfairly. The petitions says:

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop the increases in motorcycle tax proposed for 2010

Given that the motorcycle industry is facing some of its darkest days with sales slumping by around 25-30%, it makes no sense for any government to increase taxes on motorcycle ownership as is proposed in the Pre-Budget Report. We petition the government to support the motorcycle industry as it has the car industry and freeze or lower Vehicle Excise Duty and provide some other stimuli for the industry and not to attack it further by increasing the cost of ownership for law-abiding citizens.

The petition can be found at:

Tenacious Member
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Thanks for posting those up Dave.

Signed up. :thumbright:

Will the lead vehicle rule be applied to all convoys? Surely applying this to motorcyclists only is discrimination?

Discriminaion:- Unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice. Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit

yet another Dave
2,854 Posts
Discussion Starter · #3 ·
its mental isnt it? not only are you supposed to watch the road in front of, youre also responsible for whats going on maybe a mile behind.

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How can anyone be responsible for someone driving another vehicle? The convoy leader could be adhering to the limits and still have someone following exceed the limit, it's senseless. :mad:
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