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for anyone interested we are now starting to get the Dakar press launches, first off the line was todays MMSP team.

although no great surprise the driver line up was given to the press:
Hiroshi Masuoka (Japan) / Pascal Maimon (France)
Stéphane Peterhansel (France) / Jean-Paul Cottret (France)
Luc Alphand (France) / Gilles Picard (France)
Joan 'Nani' Roma (Spain) / Lucas Cruz Senra (Spain)

The latest incarnation of the Pajero/Montero Evolution (MPR13) has stuck structurally close to the 2007 build but with refinements to the exhaust system, vehicle weight distribution and the addition of the latest ASO/FIA race requirements.

 

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I've just had a look at the pre scrutineered line up of bikes (245) and quads (20) , and it is interesting to note that of that total - 156 are KTMs, 54 Yamahas, 19 Hondas, 3 BMWs, 2 Aprilias, 1 Husky , 1 Suzuki and 1 Gas-Gas and the usual handfull of Bombardier, Polaris and Can-Am in the quad section.

I also noted some names there that are new on me ??

Any clues on "New Power" - 2 Chinese riders, is this a new make or is new power a team name ??

Also TOT Curses ? - 5 of them, - Team name ?
 

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short reply after the pile of crap PC crashed when i hit return in the long reply!!

.. no ideal about 'new power' as yet..
.. ToT is team based in north eastern Spain that has for many years been developing and prototyping 4x4s for Mitsubishi motorsport, back in 2006 along with crd and yammy developed a proto thumper that was ridden in the 2007 rally by Casanova footage on youtube here

... great UK entry this year, i will post up later all the runners and riders from the UK along with their websites in the next day or two ( been up from 3.30am so not today!), please visit the guys sites as most rely on sponsorship and your support helps.

... lastly BIG cheer for the guys up at Derby in the Bowler off-road factory as this year they have managed to get a total vehicle entry of Bowlers up to 32.
 

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... great UK entry this year, i will post up later all the runners and riders from the UK along with their websites in the next day or two ( been up from 3.30am so not today!), please visit the guys sites as most rely on sponsorship and your support helps.
Here you go:

The Scots:

www.scotlandtodakar.com
#169 MC KENZIE Calum KTM GBR
#196 WHITEFORD John KTM SCO
#167 SHANKIE Iain KTM SCO
#223 BUCHAN Neil KTM GBR
#222 BUCHAN Ewan KTM GBR

The other Brits:

www.mickextance.com
#41 EXTANCE Michael HONDA GBR

www.frontrowgb.com
#185 WATT Stanley KTM GBR
#186 STAMPER Jonathan KTM GBR

#173 COLLIS Simon KTM GBR
#201 TWEEDY Duncan KTM GBR
#202 WALTER Jonathan KTM GBR

www.kayesport.com
#234 KAYE Richard KTM GBR

The Irish:

www.teamdakarireland.com
#230 NOONE Phili KTM IRL
#231 ENNIS Gary KTM IRL

Think that's everyone!
 

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Any clues on "New Power" - 2 Chinese riders, is this a new make or is new power a team name ??

Also TOT Curses ? - 5 of them, - Team name ?
I haven't heard any details about the Chinese team - would be interesting if they are running Chinese bikes though . . .

From last year's entry list it looks like the Tot Curses team runs Spanish-made Rieju bikes.
 

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yep thanks you got all the bikes, there more teams in the cars and trucks but probably not of interest in a bike forum.....

Few other points,
Robbie Allen although not competing is behind the 'Scotland to Dakar' team, likewise Dakar vet Patsy is is behind 'Front Row'....

Also it's worth mentioning allthough not listed as 'competitors' there are hundreds of Brits running in service trucks and chase this year, i will post up a few interviews with some later in the rally.

Mickextance.com is mainly last years site (Dakar 2007) for **** but more up to date info can be found on his sponsor (and friends) site:Optima loans

I have asked Sharon (Extance)for any other sites **** will be posting too but as yet non have been put forward, if that changes i will post it up.

Thankfully Eurosport (in conjunction with Yahoo UK) has again deiced to run its annual Dakar forum, for anyone that wishes to keep in touch with the latest info from the teams families and friends then this will be the place to go.


OK.. yesterday i got the Pressmail from KTM and the latest pressmail from ASO (The Dakar people)...

First up KTM, the team was leaked earlier in the year so no great surprise's there!.. as for other info well KTM’s rally boss Hans Trunkenpolz was keen to play down reports of some members being in benificial position making it very clear that every rider gets the same level of backing the team, he also said .."I believe we are gong into the rally season with the most KTM complete KTM team ever.” ... ooo fighting talk!

The offical team pic was also launched....


and i also found the latest livery for the new Kästle KTM - 690 Rally
 

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Thankfully Eurosport (in conjunction with Yahoo UK) has again deiced to run its annual Dakar forum, for anyone that wishes to keep in touch with the latest info from the teams families and friends then this will be the place to go.
Another excellent place is the racing forum on ADVrider. It's a bit US focused, but should be information about the Brits there too.

They trialed "almost live" podcasting for the Baja 1000 a couple of weeks ago, which was great. There are plans to do it for the Dakar too, and it's open to any team riders or support crew. It would be great if some of the Brits use it too.

PS Jenna - did you get the PM I sent you (via Kymmy because your PM box is overflowing)?
 

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ok all the pre event press releases are now coming out so here goes....

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Hans Trunkenpolz - KTM Rally Team Management is speaking
Interview with the Head of the Rally Department - Hans Trunkenpolz ...

Please tell us something about the teams for 2008
The KTM teams for the Dakar 2008 include winners from 2006 and 2007, the second-place getter from 2007 and three more top riders. We are therefore represented in the best possible way, not only in quantity but also in the quality of our riders, who have another Dakar victory firmly in their line of vision. Three of the six riders are presently working hard to heal the after effects of crash injuries so that they can be sure to be on the starting line in really top form. Marc Coma and Cyril Despres are the absolute favourites for the overall victory but there's no way that we are underestimating the top riders of the other brands who are continuously further developing their material. As a principle, I do not give any predictions about who might win the Dakar 2008, because unexpected things come along practically on a daily basis. They require that we take them into consideration and they create a whole new set of circumstances.

All riders are starting with the new 690 Rally, are there any technical changes / improvements when compared to last year?
In principle the 690 Rally remains the same. But we are able to continually make small modifications and improvements from the comprehensive testing that we carry out and as a result of the other rallies that we participate in.

Are there any changes in the regulations and if so, what effects might they have?
As well as the very needy and very strict control of the speed limits, there have been other measures to increase safety, like for example, a separate piste each for motorcycles and other vehicles in Morocco, which is very important. In the marathon sections that do not allow assistance, the factory riders must also ride at a controlled speed, because in the case of a crash they have to be able to get the bike going again without the help of a mechanic. Riders must factor this into their strategy.

How important is the area of customer care at KTM?
It is extremely important for KTM. The 690 Replica has been exclusively developed for our customers. Special prototypes are also used for the factory team. With the Replica, however, KTM chose to produce a machine that from its construction was identical with that of the factory bike. The sale of more than 200 Replicas in the first year of production is an indication of just how well the motorcycle has been accepted.

The Neck Brace System is being continuously further developed. How are riders getting along with it and what kinds of further developments have been made?
The Neck Brace System has been completely accepted by the riders, and after a short period of getting used to it, none of them feel that their movement has been restricted. Because of the sales success of the brace, the manufacturers has sufficient budget at their disposal to carry out intensive further development, and this is now being done.

NMSP...

The four cars which are due to spearhead the Repsol Mitsubishi Ralliart Team’s 2008 Dakar bid successfully completed the special shakedown session which took place today at the squad's usual test venue in Marmagne, northwest of Macon, approximately 60km from its headquarters in Pont de Vaux, France.

All four crews braved the freezing weather to give their respective Pajero Montero Evolution MPR13s a final systems check before the vehicles are trucked to Lisbon, Portugal, in time for scrutineering and the official start of the African marathon which kicks off on January 5, 2008.

Luc Alphand/Gilles Picard (France), Hiroshi Masuoka/Pascal Maimon (Japan/France) and Stéphane Peterhansel/Jean-Paul Cottret (France) and Joan 'Nani' Roma/Lucas Cruz (Spain) all profited from the day to bed in a variety of mechanical parts and make a number of fine-tuning adjustments to their cars and seating positions round the maze of gravel tracks that make up the test base.

"Everything went perfectly smoothly," reported the team Technical Director, Thierry Viardot. "The intention of today’s run wasn't to work on the set-up of the cars. That was done some time ago as a function of the results of the different test sessions organised during the year. Our objective was essentially to ensure there were no problems following the cars' build. Certain drivers were happy to call it a day after a brief drive, others spent longer at the wheel, but the exact distance covered by each crew was up to them. When you're talking about an event that lasts several thousand kilometres, it really wasn't a difference of a few of kilometres one way or the other today that will make a big difference once the competitive action begins next month.

"The beauty of the test facilities we use is that they offer a wide variety of surface types and we are free to make any changes we wish if we want to reproduce certain conditions,"concluded Viardot. "Another advantage is the fact that the tracks never get muddy, even it rains. However, with temperatures ranging from -6°C to -3°C today, that wasn't a problem this time!"

The shakedown session took place just days after the crews had completed their final physical fitness course of the year together. After their hike le Tour du Mont Blanc in July and a week of outdoor activities in Catalonia, Spain in November, this month's programme took them to the Thalasso Centre in Douarnenez, in Brittany, France, for a week of running, cycling, swimming, sauna and thalasso-therapy.

"It's always nice to get together off events but this sort of work is a vital part of our build-up to the Dakar," explained Luc Alphand's co-driver and former biker Gilles Picard. "The programme wasn't quite as intensive as it was the two other two times, and the sauna and thalasso-therapy were quite relaxing. That said, it was still sufficiently taxing to ensure we slept soundly each night!"

The 16-day 2008 Dakar starts in Lisbon on Saturday, January 5, and is scheduled to finish by the Lac Rose, near Dakar, Senegal, on Sunday, January 20.
 

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VW.

The Volkswagen factory drivers Carlos Sainz (Spain) and Michel Périn (France) are starting to the Dakar Rally with lots of tailwind: Together, they won the title in the FIA Cross-Country World Cup in November, after clinching one victory and two second places.

Like their teammates Dieter Depping/Timo Gottschalk (Germany), Mark Miller/Ralph Pitchford (USA/South Africa) and Giniel de Villiers/Dirk von Zitzewitz (South Africa/Germany), Sainz and Périn are piloting one of four factory-fielded Volkswagen Race Touareg vehicles in the cross-country classic that will start in Lisbon on 5 January and will end in the Senegalese capital of Dakar on 20 January.

What does the title win in the 2007 FIA Cross-Country Rally World Cup mean to you personally?
Michel Périn: "For me, personally, this was a very nice and important exploit. The World Cup is an FIA Championship and, therefore, important. Even though this season encompassed only a few competition runs it was a successful one: We celebrated a victory at the Rally Transiberico. In Morocco we were running in front and only lost victory to our teammates Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitzewitz on the final leg on account of a puncture. And the UAE Desert Challenge at the end of the season, we finished in a good, second place as well."
Carlos Sainz: "Of course, for every racer it’s great to be winning. However, for me, the World Cup title was also a good symbol that showed how well we and the whole Volkswagen team are prepared for the 2008 Dakar Rally, as our main focus throughout the season was naturally on preparing for the ‘Dakar‘."

What was the best moment of the 2007 season?
Carlos Sainz: "For me, clearly it was arriving at the finish of the UAE Desert Challenge. With extreme heat and deep sand, the conditions of this rally had been difficult for me. Nonetheless, as the runner-up, we achieved a superb result and secured the World Cup title.”
Michel Périn: "I felt very similar. Our strategy worked out in Dubai, we didn’t drive aggressively, instead tending to play it safe when we started to the rally. Although we got stuck on the last day we claimed second place there. The entire team did a good job. For me, arriving at the finish in Dubai has been one of the nicest experiences this year."

How would you describe the teamwork between yourselves?
Michel Périn: "I can only say it’s very good."
Carlos Sainz: "Michel and I have become more familiar with each other from one rally to the next. Ever since the Dakar Rally, where the two of us had the overall lead for four days, things have simply been going perfect. The rapport between us is very good and the teamwork between us couldn’t be any better."

How are you going to tackle the Dakar Rally?
Carlos Sainz: "We want to use the same strategy as in 2007. First, we’re going to start with our own rhythm. After arriving in Mauritania we’re going to assess where we stand compared to the competition and develop new tactics. I’m convinced we’re in for one of the toughest Dakar Rallies in years. The proportion of sand and dunes is extremely high, which – personally – doesn’t really suit me that well. Nevertheless, we’re going to try and win this rally with Volkswagen."
Michel Périn: "Our goal is for one of the Volkswagen Race Touareg vehicles to win the ‘Dakar‘. Of course it would be nice if, in the end, Carlos and I were the winners, but the success of the team is the most important thing. One of the toughest ‘Dakars’ in years is awaiting us, so it’ll be extremely important to make headway. On the long special stages in Mauritania there are numerous possibilities to get stuck or to lose time in other ways. Also, a number of legs, which are new to all drivers and co-drivers, have been included in the route. That’s why we need to focus on safety more than usual and do our best to lose as little time as possible.”

How do you assess your competitors?
Carlos Sainz: "As in previous years, Mitsubishi will be strong."
Michel Périn: "With Volkswagen, Mitsubishi, Schlesser and BMW, there are as many as four strong teams this year. At the UAE Desert Challenge BMW in particular showed that they are a serious contender."

How is your personal preparation for the rally coming along?
Michel Périn: "In the past few days I participated in the navigation week during which all co-drivers from the Volkswagen team worked together closely. This means my preparations are almost finished. Up to Christmas I’ll be going through all my documents very closely and meticulously check everything."
Carlos Sainz: "I’m preparing myself physically for the rally with an intensive fitness training programme, but I’m mentally preparing for the upcoming rough weeks in the desert as well."

How are you going to spend Christmas and when will you be heading for Lisbon?
Carlos Sainz: "Like every year, I will be celebrating Christmas and New Year’s Eve with my wife and children and then travel to Lisbon."
Michel Périn: "I’ve got different plans. Together with my wife and our daughter, I’ll be spending Christmas at home in France. Like last year, we’ll be going to Lisbon as early as on 27 December to celebrate New Year’s Eve. This gives me the advantage of being very relaxed at the starting location and to prepare myself for the rally without the stress of packing and travelling; and to see how the whole team arrives, one after the other."
 

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cancelled !!!!!!!!!!

Taken off Dakar website

A.S.O. cancels the 2008 edition of the Dakar rally

After different exchanges with the French government - in particular the Ministry for Foreign Affairs - , and based on their firm recommendations, the organisers of the Dakar have taken the decision to cancel the 2008 edition of the rally, scheduled from the 5th to the 20th of January between Lisbon and Senegal’s capital.
Based on the current international political tension and the murder of four French tourists last 24th of December linked to a branch of Al-Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb, but also and mainly the direct threats launched directly against the race by terrorist organisations, no other decision but the cancellation of the sporting event could be taken by A.S.O.
A.S.O.’s first responsibility is to guarantee the safety of all: that of the populations in the countries visited, of the amateur and professional competitors, of the technical assistance personnel, of the journalists, partners and rally collaborators. A.S.O. therefore reaffirms that the choice of security is not, has never been and will never be a subject of compromise at the heart of the Dakar rally.
A.S.O. condemns the terrorist menace that annihilates a year of hard work, engagement and passion for all the participants and the different actors of the world’s biggest off-road rally. Aware of the huge frustration, especially in Portugal, Morocco, Mauritania and Senegal, and beyond the general disappointment and the huge economical consequences in terms of direct and indirect repercussions for the countries visited, A.S.O. will continue to defend the major values of great sporting events and will carry on its engagement for a durable development through the Actions Dakar, started 5 years ago in sub-Saharan Africa with SOS Sahel International.
The Dakar is a symbol and nothing can destroy symbols. The cancellation of the 2008 edition does not endanger the future of the Dakar. To offer, for 2009 a new adventure to all the off-road rally passionate is a challenge that A.S.O. will take on in the months to come, faithful to its engagement and its passion for sports.
 

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lets just say its been a busy day for press releases, this has just come in from KTM.....

04/01/2008 18:21
KTM Regrets Dakar Cancellation; stands by organizers decision
While registering disappointment in the cancellation of the Dakar 2008, KTM stands firmly behind the decision of the organizers not to go ahead following threats from terrorist groups to disrupt the rally.

This, the recent murder of innocent tourists and the current climate of political unrest in parts of Africa, are all factors that were taken into account, a statement from the organizers said Friday.

The Dakar organizers came to the decision at 12:00 noon on Friday after exchanges with the French Ministry for Foreign Affairs where they advised that under the current circumstances, they were no longer able to guarantee the safety of the participants. The rally, by far the most important rally even on the international calendar, was due to start in Lisbon on Saturday and finish in Dakar on January 20.

CEO Pierer underlines safety first
Stefan Pierer CEO of KTM said the decision was the only logical one to take after the French authorities were no longer able to guarantee participant safety. "Also when this was a very difficult decision for us, we give it our 100% support," Pierer said. "The security and safety of all KTM riders, both factory riders and privateers, and indeed all those involved in the support and organization of this top class event, must be our priority at all times," he added.

Setback for all KTM Riders
Heinz Kinigadner, KTM Motorsport consultant, former 250 cc Motocross World champion and Dakar veteran said the cancellation had naturally been a great setback so close to the start of the race. He said it came after months of planning and logistics and a significant financial investment not only for the official KTM factory teams but also for some 150 other KTM riders, many of them privateers, and all their support staff. "It is clearly a huge disappointment for everyone," Kinigadner said. "We must also bear in mind that for our top factory riders like Marc Coma and Cyril Despres, the Dakar is the highlight of the professional season and one that they have been completely focussed on for months. Not only are Coma and Despres both former winners, they are great professional rivals and were definitely the top favourites for this exceptional event in 2008."

Kinigadner underlined that KTM's activities are built around the three pillars of Rally, Road Racing and MX/Enduro and said the company would remain as dedicated in the future to all three types of competition as it has been until now.

Team commitment
The cancellation was also a bitter disappointment for the KTM Rally team boss Hans Trunkenpolz, who reinforced Pierer's comments by saying that security and safety had to remain the most important criteria for this desert classic. "I am very disappointed for my team, for all of our support staff and indeed all those other people whose highlight of the year would have been to be in Dakar on January 20. But we must face the fact that under the circumstances, and with the authorities not able to guarantee the safety of our people, this was the right decision. Now we must look forward to what we hope will be a great Dakar in 2009."
 

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Unfortunate, but probably wisest decision in the long run. Better this than funerals.
 

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A real shame but a sad reflection of the world we currently live in.The writing was on the wall a few days ago when the French Government "very strongly" advised against the event entering that region and it would appear that the event organisers received a direct threat. I feel so sorry for all the privateers for whom this is an adventure of a life time and who may have incurred great financial burden without at least the satisfaction of making the start but clearly the right decision has been made. I was lucky enough to be invovled in a private Spanish Suzuki (car) entry several years ago although i never attended the event i have some idea of all the hard work envolved in just making it to scrutinnering. Lets hope the same doesn't happen next year but i think it may .. sadly
 

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yep there are now some serious issues for 2009 that will need to sorted in the next weeks not months if the event is to go on, the main manufactures have spent out over £1/4 mill in some cases and although that’s a lot of money its chicken feed to the big corporations... on the other hand most privateers are mortgaged to the hilt to just attend and any return is purely made on the sponsorship and advertising. No event equals no publicity and that will not just kill off this year’s entrants but it will also make the available pool of sponsors think twice next year (which when you consider the UK is by far the worst backer of all very worrying!).... I had an email last night saying that one team has already declared bankrupt and put everything up for sale now as it could be a cast that in 2 months time nobody will want to touch a 'dakar' spec vehicle with no guarantee of an event it can be used on!

(most of the support vehicles are specials built just for the Dakar each year, due to the unique rules they do not comply to any other event regs and are way too big an investment to just use on non FIA rounds... overnight a £250,000 truck has become near worthless if things does not change FAST)

Another impact that needs to be taken into account is the that on the ground, many countries like Senegal have invested a massive amount of its GNP into this event as it brings in megga tourism and uses a hearty lump of the countries natural and bought in recourses’... Add this to the work done behind the scenes with Sahel ( events aid programme) which has become vital in many places where governments have chosen to buy guns instead of medicine!

It’s going to be an interesting week, one that I think ASO are never going to forget, one that the 'Dakar' may not fully recover from, one that will see a lot of heartache for many competitors and some fairly desperate scenes in Africa. All in all the decision to agree or disagree with ASO to cancel is a personal one (and for the record I have to side with Peterhansels’ comments) but when 4 guys with £30's worth of arms can destroy an event like this you have to wonder if ASO has given all the facts yet and the fact that yet again terrorism wins.
 

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i dont feel sorry for the factory teams, its a dissappointment for them but theres plenty of other rallies. but the private entries who scrimp and save and beg steal and borrow all year round for the dream of entering the dakar, its them i feel for. better than being dead though.
 

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As you point out Jenna , this will also have a huge financial impact on the region which is one of the poorist in the world. What were Peterhansel's comments as have not seen any of full press releases ?
 

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If you haven't found it already, you can listen to what some of the competitors feel about it (and feel their pain!) on www.rallyRAIDIO.net

Hearing them talk about it makes it much more real than just reading it . . .
 

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As you point out Jenna , this will also have a huge financial impact on the region which is one of the poorist in the world. What were Peterhansel's comments as have not seen any of full press releases ?
see if i can find the exact quote but he said he's not french but swiss so whats the french government going to do to protect his safety anyway,... doing the dakar is about taking risks and was happy to take this one too, plus he pointed out that whats so different this time when the race has had threats made against it for the past 10 years.

Interesting passage from a recent mail from Ira Agins that really shows how much this event will hit the host countries...."In a land where everything Westerners take for granted (readily available food, lodging, supplies, medical and mechanical assistance, decent roads), it's all a struggle. When the rally is there, everyone is making lots of money. In the "big" cities, all accommodation is booked, the restaurants are busy, the street hawkers are out in force. When I say is sucks up all the gas around, I mean it.

Example:At the same time the Paris-Dakar is running, there's another rally going on. It's the Plymouth-Dakar. It's a charity event for real crazies, where your vehicle can cost no more than £100....Anyway, when I was in Nouakchott, the capital of Mauritania, both rallies were there at the same time. Bad luck for the Plymouth-Dakar folks - no gas in town. And because the junkers they're driving basically all use gas (as opposed to diesel), they're stranded there for a few days until the tanker trucks (or ships) show up."


people in Europe and the UK especially dont have a clue as to the scale of this event.
 

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i dont feel sorry for the factory teams, its a dissappointment for them but theres plenty of other rallies. but the private entries who scrimp and save and beg steal and borrow all year round for the dream of entering the dakar, its them i feel for. better than being dead though.
think you will find that its as much a big deal for the tech's, pr crews, chase teams and everyone else behind the scenes as any privateer!... these people often give up massive chunks of ther lives year after year for this event.
 

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although nobody wants to say for sure buts fairly likely now that the whole event will shift to South America next year, quite a few people have had hints from ASO that Argentina will be Host.

Its good the event lives on as such but sorry, the Dakar is about Africa. For the last few years the Por Las Pampas (Patagonia-Atacama rally) has been on the FIA list and it just hasn't been getting the attention even though its been attended by most the top teams for years... the one critical point of the Dakar was the ability of the fans to not just view but actually get out and watch on course. Yet again ASO looks at the bottom line and not what the event is really about... maybe this is the kiss of death everybody was fearing?
 
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