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I mean the wind resistance which pushes against your alloy boxes. We all know about wind resistance but to actually feel it like this is a lesson. I would like my boxes to be windstreamed like those trucks you see with stuff above the cabin to slipstream the truck.

I think that fuel use is up around 5/10% with boxes on.
 

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I mean the wind resistance which pushes against your alloy boxes. We all know about wind resistance but to actually feel it like this is a lesson. I would like my boxes to be windstreamed like those trucks you see with stuff above the cabin to slipstream the truck.

I think that fuel use is up around 5/10% with boxes on.
I love mine they are fantastic on hot days for keeping ice cold drinks ice cold all day. That's worth 5 -10% on fuel for a refreshing drink on the move. As for wind resistance i don't notice it at all on the Varadero in fact sometimes i forget i have the boxes on and try to use them to knock father off the GS with them :D:D:D:D:D.
Did that twice last month in Ireland pulled up along side to talk and gave the GS a shunt 2inches forward.
 

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As for wind resistance i don't notice it at all on the Varadero in fact sometimes i forget i have the boxes on and
That's because you haven't taken my advice and shoved your hand down there. But mind you, with a Vara.......:happy6: well!
 

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Jason, you will notice the difference on a Transalp


I reckon they cost about 3mpg when solo, probably less when 2 up as overall average speed is generally lower.
I have put my hand down & felt the drag on many occasions, I did consider making a curved front made of "something flexible" for stuffing waterproofs & such like in. As usual, I never got round to it.
I don't particularly like panniers & current circumstances mean they may only get used once a year at most.

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Never paid any attention to mpg with panniers, but the difference with or without them can very clearly be noticed when battling a stiff stormy headwind! The GS stops pulling quite a bit sooner with them on. I don't even want to think about what they'd do on an ickle bike like the NX, that had enough trouble by itself getting up to 80. ;-) Zegas are pretty square too, I wonder how big a difference those newer boxes with the angled corners would make.
 

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I put my hand down there, but because mine's quite small it didn't seem to matter too much.

More a lunch box than a pannier...

 

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Well guys..had a SAD moment a while ago and found with nothing in the panniers and riding the bike with std Honda panniers on a TA650 the fuel consumption was no different..so its all the crap we carry as the legs/boots defflect loads of wind ..as does a good curry..ha ha..

unless you have barn door GS boxes loaded to the max fuel wont change that much 2-3mpg..a more torquey engine "vara" will not notice it but a low powered Alp will..
 

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I put my hand down there, but because mine's quite small it didn't seem to matter too much.

More a lunch box than a pannier...

Those are very neat boxes - I do like 'em. Only spoiled by that hulking great bunker on top. Sigh.

I was astonished to read some who said that increased fuel use wasn't a bother. Mind you , if you buy a Vara, that attitude to heavy fuel conso must be part of the deal I suppose.
 

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I put my hand down there, but because mine's quite small it didn't seem to matter too much.
:D:D:D:D made me larf....... that did!

mine doesn't make any difference, got such a big fat ar$se that any wind resistance, is dispersed by opposite forces with a bit of curry the evening before i travel.......:thumbup:
 

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I read something about car aerodynamic design, which said that at 70mph, a typical car wing mirror needs about 1hp to push it through the air.



Probably a lot easier to bolt it to a car:-D
 

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Mind you , if you buy a Vara, that attitude to heavy fuel conso must be part of the deal I suppose.
Dont happen to write for MCN do you Beeza, I know for a fact the Vara FI uses exactly the same as an AT when ridden sensibly (I had the dero overloaded with panniers bags and kitchen sink, the AT was scaled down with just tiny soft bags) I also read the other day that a group out touring the Dero and a 1200GS had exactly the same amount when refuelling. Ridden like a nut on fire any bike will consume more, if I was that bothered about fuel economy I would down size to Enfield Bullet and carry everything in my pockets. Life is for living
 

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Hi Snappy

You say you're not bothered about fuel economy, so I guess you know it's heavy on the Vara. That's good, for you, but I'm not loaded with dosh. I do care. I nearly got a Vara till I read the fuel conso.

MCN - a pile of sh**!

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Hi Snappy

You say you're not bothered about fuel economy, so I guess you know it's heavy on the Vara. That's good, for you, but I'm not loaded with dosh. I do care. I nearly got a Vara till I read the fuel conso.

MCN - a pile of sh**!

:):):)
I'm not worried about fuel economy either, i buy what i want and live with it. Life is too short to worry about penny pinching. The Varadero does low 40's mpg and is the carbed model and the car does about 28mpg and weighs 2.85 tons
 

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I'm not worried about fuel economy either, i buy what i want and live with it. Life is too short to worry about penny pinching. The Varadero does low 40's mpg and is the carbed model and the car does about 28mpg and weighs 2.85 tons
penny pinching?? - my fuel bill averages around £1000 per month.... so yes I have a Diesel pick up truck that does 25mpg, but there's no way I'd be able to use it for work every day, with parking around £20 per day in central london and £10 per day congestion charge.

£32 -£35 in fuel, (plus £10 congestion charge and £20 parking)

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£16 on the transalp... no parking costs or congestion charge,£20 per day difference in fuel, (£5000 pa) and thats just on my shortest commute...

It must be nice to either have a 3 or 4 mile commute to the local food packing factory or be the CEO of a multi national company where you can just dismiss fuel costs eh?
 

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Hi Snappy

You say you're not bothered about fuel economy, so I guess you know it's heavy on the Vara. That's good, for you, but I'm not loaded with dosh. I do care. I nearly got a Vara till I read the fuel conso.

MCN - a pile of sh**!

:):):)
This myth just seems to go round and round. I've had bikes 250cc and up that were much worse than my varadero and as snappy says me on a 1200GS and my mate on his Vara used exactly the same amount of fuel on our recent GGerman holiday. It worked out at just over 50mpg and that was cruising at 80mph on the motorway. If you want an economical engine with plenty go look at the 800cc BMW parallel twins. Outrunner did exactly the same riding as us but we used a third more fuel than him.
 

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penny pinching?? - my fuel bill averages around £1000 per month.... so yes I have a Diesel pick up truck that does 25mpg, but there's no way I'd be able to use it for work every day, with parking around £20 per day in central london and £10 per day congestion charge.

£32 -£35 in fuel, (plus £10 congestion charge and £20 parking)

or

£16 on the transalp... no parking costs or congestion charge,£20 per day difference in fuel, (£5000 pa) and thats just on my shortest commute...

It must be nice to either have a 3 or 4 mile commute to the local food packing factory or be the CEO of a multi national company where you can just dismiss fuel costs eh?
I understand your point about using the vehicle for work purposes to reduce cost, does that make your bike insurance dearer then compared to what it would be without commercial insurance?

The point i was trying to make is that for 90% of people bike are pleasure toys. So who in there right mind would not buy the exact thing that they want just because something else does a couple of mpg's more. If you want something bad enough buy it and live with it. First week of September i'm taking the car to central France for a week or so, i know that's going to cost £120-£150 each way for fuel but it's my choice and so much easier to drive than to *uck about at airports with the family and all the baby stuff.

I don't think anybody dismisses fuels cost you just factor them in to daily routine and maybe change the way you do things. The fuel bill for our lorry fleet runs into millions of pounds a year work are trialing different tractor units to see if they can rduce costs we mainly have Scania, but now they are testing MAN and i've seen a few odd Renault trucks at work
 

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I neve bother to figure out mpg for the tralp, I fill it up when it's empty & I know I can do 225km on a tank before hitting reserve. I HAVE reduced that to 180 once, fully loaded with 2 x 45l cases, top box & tank bag running for home up the autoroute at a sustained 145KM/h I have never approached that figure since, but then I have never done more than 225k on a tank either. I usually fill up at 200k.
 

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Those are very neat boxes - I do like 'em. Only spoiled by that hulking great bunker on top. Sigh.

I was astonished to read some who said that increased fuel use wasn't a bother. Mind you , if you buy a Vara, that attitude to heavy fuel conso must be part of the deal I suppose.
Peli Case 1430. Details here:
http://www.xrv.org.uk/forums/bodgers-corner/29422-peli-cases-panniers.html

I'm sad enough to have kept fuel records, and I've spent £5469 since I bought the Vara in 2005. I reckon depreciation, maintenance and servicing roughly equals that. So fuel costs are perhaps only half of total costs. It's not really worth worrying about a few mpg.

:D:D:D:D made me larf....... that did!
Glad you enjoyed!
 

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I'm sad enough to have kept fuel records said:
grin on your face factor....? priceless!!!
 
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