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Or be stopped! disgust.

Returned to quiet village apparently not so quiet any more to see my folks last night.

I then popped to see some freinds who were doing the same.

On returning to my folks I found the neighbours wall half kicked over with a big plant pot strewn all over the road. After shovelling that up at 1:30am I then sat behind the hedge (and absolutely did not have a big bat in my hand, no sir-eeee would not dream of it!) in my motorbike gear for an hour to make sure everything was quiet on the western front! I got out of bed this morning and walked out onto the street at the same time as a few other folk wandering round in their dressing gown wondering what they had done to deserve this.

One old guy in the process of trying to die quietly of cancer! but oh no it seems he was mistaken fighting all those years ago for these scum bags' freedom just to cause this kind of mindless malicious damage.

One wrought iron gate removed and used to ventilate a brand new golf. (actually someones friend who was visiting.)

4 kicked over walls and numerous smashed up plant pots etc.

It seems I just missed them and they came back at around 4am. :( sooooooooooo sorry I missed em!

Yeah big deal I hear some folk cry, come and live in the city or a big town.

Not my point I am not making comparisons, what I am doing is pointing out that it is spreading like a dose of social pox and nobody is immune. There are only so many corners you can crawl away into in the hopes it never catches up. Just how far can we all back up before our heals are on the cliffs? I'm off! this country is screwed!

Peace and compassion man :toothy4: they all just need a hug! screw that! I am absolutely not an advocate of violence and think a good kicking would just 'up' their credibility amongst themselves. What they need is HUMILIATION. My vote is for bringing back the village stocks. Let them come and be ridiculed and pointed at!:D

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Much sadness on this day as I now go and rebuild all these old peoples walls who can not lift the bricks to put them back up.
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

similar problems here with pissed up kids coming out the pubs and football ground, no offence to all the parents here but FFS take control of your kids!!!

this country is a sh!t hole and getting worse by the week, we have been looking at going abroad for a while and soon as the busness is established enough we will be gone.
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Do you think the little shites ( or their parents ) will be observing the two minute silence in ten minutes time ???? Don't think so !!!!
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Well being a parent I do think other parents and family are to blame.

I will not let my kids roam the streets looking for trouble and hanging around.
They do have to be back in at a reasonable time in the evening, and within reason we know where they are all of the time.
They do understand right from wrong, yes they do push the boundaries on rare occasions, like I guess we all did but they know where the line is. The kids have grown up in a loving and caring family environment which I think has a lot to do with it.
It will be interesting as to see what happens as alcohol starts to get involved, but so far Ben aged 16 (nearly 17) seems to be holding up well on that front. He's allowed to drink responsibly at home when we have BBQ's, etc.. and seems to appreciate the there is a reasonable limit to what to drink.
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

I agree that it is a relatively small minority but it is growing too fast.

After putting the last wall back in some sort of shape I noticed half a topper was missing. I consequently spent my 2 minutes with two other guys off the street emptying a little old dears (fortunately might I add!) spare bedroom so we could clear up the glass. They had put her window through! WHY?????????????????????????

Her late husband did his service in the navy for us. He must be turning in his grave! The worst of it is the police don't want to know. The good news is that she is the toughest little 80+ Scott granny!! "It'll tek more than a wee brrrick thrrrrrrough my windee te finish me oof tha wee sods"

Oh and the latest from others on the street;

The memorial in the village and that of the neighbouring village have been smashed up and vandalised!!!! The british legion in town also had every door kicked in and cupboard ripped appart untill they found the poppy money!

My anger has gone off the boil but left me absolutely stunned and mystified.:( :( :( :( :( :( just sad now.

As bad as I think it will be they are going to push too hard and folk are going to start pushing back. Can't they see that?:(
 

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whys the rum always gone?
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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

i know how you feel guys this countrys going to shit ..christ if your kids play up and you deal with them you run trhe risk of getting banged up your self:(:(:(:(

we had a similar problem round here about a year back ...angry9:scrotes riding pass on their pushbikes kicking off wing mirrors over the course of a few weeks they did thousands of pounds of damage...a few of us managed to catch some of them;)needless to say its been quiet here for a while ...the police just wernt interested..it took the three days to come and do a report on the first incident:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


somtimes a bloody good thick ear works but we were lucky to get away with it really:rolleyes:
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Just to throw in a positive, I've juss returned from a Remembrance service with about 50 Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorers on the March and paying attention at the service.
The Police stopped the traffic for the two mites silence and it was, once again, eerie. When they sound the reveille and the coach and bus engines start up the noise is incredible. Makes you realises how much noise there is on a normal day.
One other point, when I was five (37 years ago) we moved into a house with a driveway. There were two large, unused, wooden water barrels in the back garden s my dad put them on either side of the drive and painted them dark green. The local youths turned them over every Friday and Saturday night for a month or so. Many years later we painted them white and immediately the local youths turned them over every Friday and Saturday night for a month or so. Every time we re-painted them, the local kids seems to notice them, as if they had not been there before, and turn them over.
My observation is: there were good and bad kids then and there are good and bad kids now.
 
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Personally I observe the two minutes silence, but sorry to say I'm not one of them armed forces wannabees who think that they've gotta stand at attention. The whole point about the silence is for you to remember all the people who gave thier lives for the relative peaceful time we have today and by observing the silence it remains forefront in your mind as to why you're being silent.

As for the youngster problems I'd suggest bring back national service or a compulsory cadets force. When I was a youngster in South Africa the army regulary took a large group from schools to camp teaching them a bit of discipline as well as fun.

Kymmy (Ex RAF)
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Thats great to hear. I was a member of scouts for the duration and it has served me well in life having good external influence and role models. Most of the lads from that scout group are great people, granted some are still torags but they learnt and have a sense of pride and decency. Nearly all of them find their way back to the village over the christmas period at one time or another,and brick layer or book keeper we are all equal and still hold our values and memories as a great asset to becoming decent people.

I am under no illusions that kids fundamentally have not changed and there will always be good n bad kids. But what has changed is there sense of decency and malicious intent. For crying out load they are attacking firemen in town!! They have lost their accountability for their actions and no longer fear or expect any form of responsibility or reprisal to be landed at their feet and, pardon the phrase,can no longer 'take it like a man'. Its never their fault.

If most of the big 'I am' wannabes and hard men of today were put in the same situation that many serviceman/woman has had to endure in the past they would no doubt be sqatting in a pool of their own piss sobbing!

Sickening!:(
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Personally I observe the two minutes silence, but sorry to say I'm not one of them armed forces wannabees who think that they've gotta stand at attention. The whole point about the silence is for you to remember all the people who gave thier lives for the relative peaceful time we have today and by observing the silence it remains forefront in your mind as to why you're being silent.
I wish it was not religious or at least embraced all believers and non-believers alike.
I am also suspicious of the motivation behind the MPs, political dignitaries and political parties who come out of the woodwork for these events. But I agree with you wholeheartedly - despite all these reservations I do believe it is important to remember.
I went to the Spanish Civil War service in the summer too. A Catalan bloke got up to speak and just burst out crying as he tried to thank the International Brigades for coming to Spain. That was moving too.
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

I am with you Yeti and i also am with you DaveS. A hell of a lot has to do with piss poor parents letting kids out of control BUT and this is a big BUT a hell of a lot has to do with a bloody self centreed attitude that most people over 40 and under 70 have.

Lets face it, lets call a spade a spade when i started out back in 1980 i went to University FREE apart from the £2000 overdraft for my bar bill, first job in 1982 paid £9,000 a year and i bought my first house at age 21 for £22,000 that was a three bedroom house with a garage and big garden.

Now my eldest son will have close to a £25,000 debt for university and he will need to take on a £250,000 mortgage which will be about £1500 a month INTEREST ONLY

Lets get real, we have screwed anybody under 40 MASSIVE TIME so they frankly dont give a F&*K about society or our rules.

My solution very simple, make affordable education and housing and then hammer the benefits culture and system.

we can then say "You kids now have a fair chance the same as your parents NOW GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND WORK".

The system these idiot Labour Socialists have created is one of DEBT USURY. They were a complete FU*K UP in the 70,s and they are just as much of a FU*K UP NOW.

5 years ago average house price £80,000 now £225,000 anybody who owned a house 5 years+ = RICH anybody after = POOR.

So lets back off the kids of today, GIVE THEM A FAIR CHANCE LIKE WHAT WE HAD. I will be the first to admit life was a piece of piss back when i started now for the modern kids a bloody nightmare created by the grand masters of economic FU*K up = THE LABOUR PARTY
 
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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Oh how I wish it was all true (and this is coming from an under 40yo)

The problems around the village aren't economicly poor disfunctional idiots but instead it seems to be the teenage sons/daughters of the richest people within the village. They simply don't care about other peoples property.

When I was a young girl and I or my two brothers brothers did something major wrong we were belted across the backside for it and not limply smacked on the wrist as most children are in the present. If only parents took better control and actually looked after thier children instead of allowing them to run riot.

And no I'm not saying that every parent is at fault, but for those youngsters that do get into touble a lot might not have if thier parents were better at controling them.

Kymmy
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Yeti there are some really really bad people around and this is reflected in the way they bring up thier kids. But there are more really nice people and that too is reflected in thier children too.

I would be horrified if Caitlin became involved in anything like you describe but hope I am bringing her up to know how wrong that is. Ihave a feeling that would be the one rebuilding the wall and telling the others how badly they are behaving.

SHe has no problems when we are out in public telling adults off for using bad language around her, she gives them an evil glare and says don't you know that using that sort of word around a young child like me teaches me bad manners, I would prefer it if you didn't swear please.

I know that is going to get me a kicking one day fortunately Jason is a big bloke and can fend them off for me :D
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

I too would be horrified to think my son/daughter were involved in this sort of thing and they would suffer i promise you if i found out they had,
just saw this on visor down kinda sums up how much help the police are t times
Here's a true email sent to the Edinburgh force, lengthy but absolutely
brilliantly written..... An Anonymised correspondence from a member of
the public


Dear Sir/madam/automated telephone answering service

Having spent the past twenty minutes waiting for someone at Leith police
station to pick up a telephone I have decided to abandon the idea and try
e-mailing you instead. Perhaps you would be so kind as to pass this
meassage on to your colleagues in Leith by means of smoke signal, carrier
pigeon or ouji board.

As I'm writing this e-mail there are eleven failed medical experiments (I
think you call them youths) in West Cromwell Street which is just off
Commercial Street in Leith . Six of them seem happy enough to play a game
which involves kicking a football against an iron gate with the force of
a meteorite. This causes an earth shattering CLANG! which rings
throughout the entire building. This game is now in it's third week and
as I am unsure how the scoring sytem works, I have no idea if it will end
any time soon.

The remaining five walking abortions are happily rummaging through
several bags of rubbish and items of furniture that someone has so
thoughtfully dumped beside the wheelie bins. One of them has found a saw
and is setting about a discarded chair like a beaver on speed. I fear
that it's only a matter of time before they turn their limited attention
to the bottle of calor gas that is lying on it's side between the two
bins. If they could be relied on to only blow their own arms and legs off
then I would happily leave them to it. I would even go so far as to lend
them the matches. Unfortuneatly they are far more likely to blow up half
the street with them and I've just finished decorating the kitchen.

What I suggest is this. after replying to this e-mail with worthless
assurances that the matter is being looked into and will be dealt with,
why not leave it until the one night of the year (probably bath night)
when there are no mutants around then drive up the street in a panda car
before doing a three point turn and disappearing again. This will of
course serve no ther purpose than to remind us what policemen actually
look like.

I trust that when I take a clawhammer to the skull of one of these
throwbacks you'll do me the same courtesy of giving me a four month head
start before coming to arrest me.

I remain sir, your obedient servant
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Mr ??????,

I have read your e-mail and understand you frustration at the problems
caused by youth playing in the area and the problems you have encountered
in trying to contact the police.

As the Community Beat Officer for your street I would like to extend an
offer of discussing the matter fully with you.

Should you wish to discuss the matter, please provide contact details
(address / telephone number) and when may be suitable.

Regards

PC ???
?????????????
Community Beat Officer




Dear PC ?????

First of all I would like to thank you for the speedy response to my
original e-mail. 16 hours and 38 minutes must be a personal record for
Leith Police station and rest assured that I will forward these details
to Norris McWhirter for inclusion in his next book.

Secondly I was delighted to hear that our street has it's own community
beat officer. May I be the first to congratulate you on your covert
skills. In the five or so years I have lived in West Cromwell Street , I
have never seen you. Do you hide up a tree or have you gone deep
undercover and infiltrated the gang itself? Are you the one with the acne
and the moustache on his forehead or the one with a chin like a wash hand
basin? It's surely only a matter of time before you are headhunted by
MI5.

Whilst I realise that there may be far more serious crimes taking place
in Leith such as smoking in a public place or being Muslim without due
care and attention, is it too much to ask for a policeman to explain
(using words of no more than two syllables at a time) to these toohats that
they might want to play their strange football game elsewhere. The pitch
behind the Citadel or the one at DKs are both within spitting distance as
is the bottom of the Albert Dock.

Should you wish to discuss these matters further you should feel free to
contact me on ??? ????. If after 25 minutes I have still failed to
answer, I'll buy you a large one in the Compass Bar.

Regards
???????
 

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whys the rum always gone?
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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

Oh how I wish it was all true (and this is coming from an under 40yo)

The problems around the village aren't economicly poor disfunctional idiots but instead it seems to be the teenage sons/daughters of the richest people within the village. They simply don't care about other peoples property.

When I was a young girl and I or my two brothers brothers did something major wrong we were belted across the backside for it and not limply smacked on the wrist as most children are in the present. If only parents took better control and actually looked after thier children instead of allowing them to run riot.

And no I'm not saying that every parent is at fault, but for those youngsters that do get into touble a lot might not have if thier parents were better at controling them.

Kymmy
cannot agree more most of these kids are not disaffective just spoilt brats:(
 

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I think that this may have been referred to obliquely already. In this country there does not seem to be any consequence to unacceptable behaviour. I was educated by the Christian Brothers in South Africa. They have a bad reputation for beating trangressing kids with little or no justification. I cannot remember a single beating.
Obviously I was blessed with some intelligence, and was able to work out what not to do: Litter..................beating
Answer back........beating
Talk in class.........beating
Vandalism ..........beating
I was no angel, but the threat of the consequences moderated my behaviour. The threat is enough
Bring back the belt and use it.
 

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whys the rum always gone?
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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

I too would be horrified to think my son/daughter were involved in this sort of thing and they would suffer i promise you if i found out they had,
just saw this on visor down kinda sums up how much help the police are t times
Here's a true email sent to the Edinburgh force, lengthy but absolutely
brilliantly written..... An Anonymised correspondence from a member of
the public


Dear Sir/madam/automated telephone answering service

Having spent the past twenty minutes waiting for someone at Leith police
station to pick up a telephone I have decided to abandon the idea and try
e-mailing you instead. Perhaps you would be so kind as to pass this
meassage on to your colleagues in Leith by means of smoke signal, carrier
pigeon or ouji board.

As I'm writing this e-mail there are eleven failed medical experiments (I
think you call them youths) in West Cromwell Street which is just off
Commercial Street in Leith . Six of them seem happy enough to play a game
which involves kicking a football against an iron gate with the force of
a meteorite. This causes an earth shattering CLANG! which rings
throughout the entire building. This game is now in it's third week and
as I am unsure how the scoring sytem works, I have no idea if it will end
any time soon.

The remaining five walking abortions are happily rummaging through
several bags of rubbish and items of furniture that someone has so
thoughtfully dumped beside the wheelie bins. One of them has found a saw
and is setting about a discarded chair like a beaver on speed. I fear
that it's only a matter of time before they turn their limited attention
to the bottle of calor gas that is lying on it's side between the two
bins. If they could be relied on to only blow their own arms and legs off
then I would happily leave them to it. I would even go so far as to lend
them the matches. Unfortuneatly they are far more likely to blow up half
the street with them and I've just finished decorating the kitchen.

What I suggest is this. after replying to this e-mail with worthless
assurances that the matter is being looked into and will be dealt with,
why not leave it until the one night of the year (probably bath night)
when there are no mutants around then drive up the street in a panda car
before doing a three point turn and disappearing again. This will of
course serve no ther purpose than to remind us what policemen actually
look like.

I trust that when I take a clawhammer to the skull of one of these
throwbacks you'll do me the same courtesy of giving me a four month head
start before coming to arrest me.

I remain sir, your obedient servant
?????????




Mr ??????,

I have read your e-mail and understand you frustration at the problems
caused by youth playing in the area and the problems you have encountered
in trying to contact the police.

As the Community Beat Officer for your street I would like to extend an
offer of discussing the matter fully with you.

Should you wish to discuss the matter, please provide contact details
(address / telephone number) and when may be suitable.

Regards

PC ???
?????????????
Community Beat Officer




Dear PC ?????

First of all I would like to thank you for the speedy response to my
original e-mail. 16 hours and 38 minutes must be a personal record for
Leith Police station and rest assured that I will forward these details
to Norris McWhirter for inclusion in his next book.

Secondly I was delighted to hear that our street has it's own community
beat officer. May I be the first to congratulate you on your covert
skills. In the five or so years I have lived in West Cromwell Street , I
have never seen you. Do you hide up a tree or have you gone deep
undercover and infiltrated the gang itself? Are you the one with the acne
and the moustache on his forehead or the one with a chin like a wash hand
basin? It's surely only a matter of time before you are headhunted by
MI5.

Whilst I realise that there may be far more serious crimes taking place
in Leith such as smoking in a public place or being Muslim without due
care and attention, is it too much to ask for a policeman to explain
(using words of no more than two syllables at a time) to these toohats that
they might want to play their strange football game elsewhere. The pitch
behind the Citadel or the one at DKs are both within spitting distance as
is the bottom of the Albert Dock.

Should you wish to discuss these matters further you should feel free to
contact me on ??? ????. If after 25 minutes I have still failed to
answer, I'll buy you a large one in the Compass Bar.

Regards
???????
sharp very sharp:D
 

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Re: Whens this madness going to stop!

I think that this may have been referred to obliquely already. In this country there does not seem to be any consequence to unacceptable behaviour. I was educated by the Christian Brothers in South Africa. They have a bad reputation for beating trangressing kids with little or no justification. I cannot remember a single beating.
Obviously I was blessed with some intelligence, and was able to work out what not to do: Litter..................beating
Answer back........beating
Talk in class.........beating
Vandalism ..........beating
I was no angel, but the threat of the consequences moderated my behaviour. The threat is enough
Bring back the belt and use it.
Not sure I agree with that I have to be honest I don't smack Mini M, that's not to say that I don't discipline her, but there are other ways to punish without violence. I have worked with kids who have been beaten, thrown against walls and suffered all sorts of other horrors in the name of discipline and just think that although the vast majority of people can and do exercise restraint there are the few that go that one step to far.
 

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Yeti - top man for actually doing something practical to help and not just standing there tutting :thumbup:
 
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Not sure I agree with that I have to be honest I don't smack Mini M, that's not to say that I don't discipline her, but there are other ways to punish without violence. I have worked with kids who have been beaten, thrown against walls and suffered all sorts of other horrors in the name of discipline and just think that although the vast majority of people can and do exercise restraint there are the few that go that one step to far.

I think the method of discipline is relevant as long as it's effective. It's major lack of it that has shaped the kids of today. As Jen said to me earlier if the kids of today disciplne thier kids the same or even less whats the world going to be like in a few generations.
 
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