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The email below is circulating around our work system, issued by the Army Master Driver.

I did not know that my photocard driving licence was about to expire - I thought that they lasted until I was 70!

Please read and check yours;

"DEAR ALL

A Note from the Army Master Driver!

Unwitting motorists face £1,000 fines as thousands of photocard driving licences expire

Thousands of motorists are at risk of being fined up to £1,000 because they are unwittingly driving without a valid licence.

They risk prosecution after failing to spot the extremely small print on their photocard licence which says it automatically expires after 10 years and has to be renewed - even though drivers are licensed to drive until the age of 70.

The fiasco has come to light a decade after the first batch of photo licences was issued in July 1998, just as the they start to expire.

Motoring organisations blamed the Government for the fiasco and said 'most' drivers believed their licences were for life.

A mock-up driving licence from 1998 when the photocards were launched shows the imminent expiry date as item '4b'

They said officials had failed to publicise sufficiently the fact that new-style licences - unlike the old paper ones - expire after a set period and have to be renewed.

To rub salt into wounds, drivers will have to a pay L17.50 to renew their card - a charge which critics have condemned as a 'stealth tax' and which will earn the Treasury an estimated L437million over 25 years.

Official DVLA figures reveal that while 16,136 expired this summer, so far only 11,566 drivers have renewed, leaving 4,570 outstanding.

With another 300,000 photocard licences due to expire over the coming year, experts fear the number of invalid licences will soar, putting thousands more drivers in breach of the law and at risk of a fine.

At the heart of the confusion is the small print on the tiny credit-card-size photo licence, which is used in conjunction with the paper version.

Just below the driver name on the front of the photocard licence is a series of dates and details - each one numbered.

Number 4b features a date in tiny writing, but no explicit explanation as to what it means.

The date's significance is only explained if the driver turns over the card and reads the key on the back which states that '4b' means 'licence valid to'.

Even more confusingly, an adjacent table on the rear of the card sets out how long the driver is registered to hold a licence - that is until his or her 70th birthday.

A total of 25million new-style licences have been issued but - motoring experts say - drivers were never sufficiently warned they would expire after 10 years.

Motorists who fail to renew their licences in time are allowed to continue driving. But the DVLA says they could be charged with 'failing to surrender their licence', an offence carrying a £1,000 fine.

AA president, Edmund King said: 'It is not generally known that photocard licences expire: there appears to be a lack of information that people will have to renew these licences.

'People think they have already paid them for once over and that is it.

'It will come as a surprise to motorists and a shock that they have to pay an extra £17.50.'

The AA called on the Government to use the annual £450million from traffic enforcement fines to offset the renewal charge.

Before photocard licences were introduced, old-style paper licences were valid until the age of 70.

'Many motorists still believe this to be the case with the new ones.'

Driving instructor Tony Carter, of Canterbury, said: 'It's outrageous; everybody thinks their driving licence is for life.

'Why - when you have already paid L50 for your photocard licence - should you pay the Government an extra £17.50 every 10 years?

'It's another stealth tax. Drivers will be very annoyed.'

Today the DVLA said the date of expiry was carried on the new-style licences, even though the AA says this is 'not clear'.

The Agency was unable to say whether motorists were told the licences would expire when they were first issued.

It said it was issuing postal reminders to drivers whose photograph was due to expire, to get the renewal message across. But a spokesman admitted this was the limit of the DVLA's publicity.

Experts say many drivers will slip through the net because DVLA records are inaccurate and many motorists have changed address, making it impossible to trace them.

A DVLA spokesman said: 'Previous experience has shown that wide-scale publicity is less effective and can generate enquiries and concerns from those not affected. Instead, DVLA focussed on targeted publicity to ensure that we got the message to the right person at the right time.'

The Driving Standards Agency is allowing L-test candidates with out-of-date photocard licences to sit their driving tests as long as they provide a valid passport. This concession will end in January next year, raising the prospect that some L-test candidates will be turned away.

The DVLA said no one had so far been charged with failing to surrender a licence."
 
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The photocard itself expires after 10 years purely due to peoples faces and hence the picture changing with age...

UK though has always had a policy where people who have a licence and are not suspended/banned can legally drive as unlike other countries there is not a need to carry your licence like in other countries...

Yes as the above scare post(as that's all it's designed to do) states you can get done for not keeping your licence upto date but you still have a licence in the eyes of the DVLA.. But put it this way if you didn't bother reading the leaflet that came with your licence and didn;t check all the details on your new licence then you;re stupid enough to get a fine ;)

This website explains it in more details
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/NeedANewOrUpdatedLicence/DG_078070
 

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But put it this way if you didn't bother reading the leaflet that came with your licence and didn;t check all the details on your new licence then you;re stupid enough to get a fine ;)
OOOOOOOH! you bitch!

Now that is not fair. I have now looked at mine and it expires in 2011, but I would never have know,

This I have never understood:

The DVLA knows all this info about you an your vehicles;
MOT
Tax
Driving licence
insurance.

Your insurer will generally send you reminder but the DVLA only reminds you about tax - why not about your MOT and your driving licence?
 
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OOOOOOOH! you bitch!
Just being me ;)


Your insurer will generally send you reminder but the DVLA only reminds you about tax - why not about your MOT and your driving licence?
MOT is nothing to do with the DVLA but I believe VOSA is the agency responsible..

If you read the website I posted previously the DVLA should send you a reminder 2 months before your photo expires on your licence...
 

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... but the DVLA only reminds you about tax ...
The DVLA do other stuff too. If you buy a bike that is SORNed and don't immediately re-declare it SORNed, they send you a fine. Useful wunch of bankers aren't they ;)
 

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The DVLA do other stuff too. If you buy a bike that is SORNed and don't immediately re-declare it SORNed, they send you a fine. Useful wunch of bankers aren't they ;)
Happened to me.

Buy a bike with ir without tax, the tax tax status transfers, Buy a bike on a SORN you assume the SORN transfers, but no. It is the only tax status that does not transfer but tehy do not inform you of this.
I wrote to my complain, copied my MP, heard nothing more. Firebomb the little bastards I say.

Once I complained to my tax office cos they hugely cocked up and my MP wrote to them. They sent my MP a letter asking her to apologise to me for their eroor. They never, ever, replied direct to me. Firebomb the lot of them. Where's Hudders when you need him?
 
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...and add to this the number of reported cases where motorcyclist's licenses are returned with their motorcycle entitlement suddenly missing.... covered fairly recently in Bike magazine iirc. I also believe that some had to re-take their test as the DVLA were adamant they had not err'd. Photocopying card and paper before sending might be worthwhile.

Keith.
 

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How odd. If a person passes their driving test when they are 17 they expect to use the same picture on a driving licence when they are 70....... Okay if you're Cliff Richard I spose:teeth:

I still have a my paper licence, held together with sellotape and scrooginess. I must never move or lose it, cos I won't get another.
 

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I renewed my PCV entitlement in April this year and when my license came back and I checked it over I was shocked to see that it stated it was only valid until June 2009 instead of the usual 5 years. :(

After phoning the DVLA I was relieved to find that it is the picture that needs to be updated and the nice lady I spoke to assured me that they will send a reminder.:)

Andy.
 

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...I also believe that some had to re-take their test as the DVLA were adamant they had not err'd. Photocopying card and paper before sending might be worthwhile.

Keith.
An aquantance had this problem and a photocopy was not acceptable as proof, as it can be tampered with.
Obviously the DVLA never makes error's :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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Whilst we're on the subject of licences, if anyone has category D1 (mini bus) on their licence which was obtained via grandfather rights i.e they past a car test before 1997, when they next renew their licence for whatever reason, they will loose the category unless they submit a D4 (medical form) when they send their driving licence off.
 

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I have to renew my license every five years, The mugshot is valid until 2011.
What gets me are the 101 112 107 codes I have.
But I always check the details as it costs £1000 pounds for each add on I have.
That is to train and take a test for the D (PCV) is £1000 and the same goes for the CE (HGV 1) license, plus it has been known for DVLA to miss off entitlements on renewal.
I.E. Returned license missing the motorcycle entitlement.
Having the ABCD and E entitlement is worth keeping.
 

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This is more interesting that I first thought

I have a German EU Driving licence
front states at 4b - (ie nothing)
at the back column 10 licence held since for the varying categories and column 11 the renewal date
trucks being 2017 where a medical with reactions test is due and for the PSV 2009 where a full medical is due.
I have to pay for the medicals myself and pay €67, to renew my licence for those categories.
the run out (renewal) date for A1, A, B, C1,BE,C1E, M,L,T, is blank

so to keep my full entitlement I need to pay about €150 every five years,
 

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How odd. If a person passes their driving test when they are 17 they expect to use the same picture on a driving licence when they are 70....... Okay if you're Cliff Richard I spose:teeth:

I still have a my paper licence, held together with sellotape and scrooginess. I must never move or lose it, cos I won't get another.
If it was down to Cliff Richard we would have been OK, But I heard that the Law came into force since Michael Jackson decided to have a UK driving Licence !! :D:D:D:D

I have to check mine now :(:(:(
 
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