That the decisions should be taken by the committee and then sent out. Austin is not alone in pointing out that if you ask the forum you get a load of people who aren't going to participate saying what should happen. Already we have had two polls. One has been closed and the result published. One has been reopened. Neither poll had any sort of material upon which people could have decided (such as James 691 has now posted in favour of the Towers ride).I am completely lost with your second last paragraph. What authority exactly do you want Dave to come in with?
Of course not. See above.To say it should be him and you that decide whats what and then you tell the rest of us?
Tom, I have been taking calls, PMs and e-mails for months and even without a single one of them I could tell you what went wrong with this year's event because I have been sorting things out. It is because I have been listening that I am so familiar with what has been said and what will be said. If I have spent less than 100 hours on this, I would be surprised.Actually, you know what, I think the key lesson is for people to slow down and actually listen.
Which is why I reopened the polls. There was going to be a board split with many not happy at how rushed everything was and it's rediculous expecting riders to give due consideration to a ride for next year when they havent even left for this years ride yet. Now, with the polls reopened, the suggested rides and routes can be FULLY thought about and discussed, by everyone, and a much more informed vote made. It also gives people an opportunity to perhaps propose a ride/route no ones even thought about yet. But at the end of it no one can say we didnt give people time, or a fair crack of the whip to look at it from every angle. I think it's vital to involve the xrv forum in coming up with ideas, discussing them, voting on them - otherwise it takes it away from being an xrv event in my view.That the decisions should be taken by the committee and then sent out. Austin is not alone in pointing out that if you ask the forum you get a load of people who aren't going to participate saying what should happen. Already we have had two polls. One has been closed and the result published. One has been reopened. Neither poll had any sort of material upon which people could have decided (such as James 691 has now posted in favour of the Towers ride).
It is absolutely artificial for the committee to say that the process is democratic - remember last year's charity vote? And as there is a limit to the number of options, we have to exclude some anyway. But if we are to make it democratic, we need to begin with an explanation of what the ride has to have. Otherwise we will end up with more headaches which (and I entirely accept I may be wrong) I largely have to sort out. An example is the Berlin Wall to Hadrian's Wall. That's an Ironbutt event, not a TLD one.
You're not the only one Phil. And what I've been hearing and getting back leads me to conclude we were trying to take responsibility for, and do, far to much. Let's take a breather, wait, and read what comes in, but for me, we need to just keep it very very simple next year. Simple in the sense that, for example, if theres a eurotunnel involved, we get the discount code and let riders sort themselves from there. If there's accommodation, we research possibilities, give riders the information, and let them sort themselves from there.Tom, I have been taking calls, PMs and e-mails for months and even without a single one of them I could tell you what went wrong with this year's event because I have been sorting things out. It is because I have been listening that I am so familiar with what has been said and what will be said. If I have spent less than 100 hours on this, I would be surprised.
Decals, tshirts etc need to be relooked at this year. Last year I think everything was too rushed. We need to look at having an ordering and paying system that works with the click of a button. This year you were able to sustain a lot of outgoings on behalf of the event, but it's wrong that you should have to run the risk of being out of pocket. We need to have a system where stuff can be ordered as it's paid for, sources in the UK to make sorting problems easier, and riders pay up front.But the riders are not always the best people to ask. Has anyone mentioned IT problems? They are absolutely key. Who is talking about the availability of accommodation? Not the riders: but it has to be thought about. Has anyone complained that 50 sets of decals were printed to begin with so the pressure was on to get them sold? No, because the riders didn't know.
Nick did excellent work towards the end to try to sort out the remaining decal/Tshirt problems and fingers-crossed those who never got any will not want a refund (I spoke to three who told me not to worry).
This is a good example of what I mean about taking on board what the feedback says - what's the point in a roadbook that noone uses, or finds useful, or that didnt have the one bit of information in it they wanted. I do several rallys a year, noone of them have a road book. I dont even sign a disclaimer on some. My entry is undertaking enough that I absolve all and any of any responsibility for anything that happens to me.Barry saved the day with the return ferries using his excellent IT skills. WE COULD NOT HAVE HAD ANYTHING LIKE THE SUCCESS WE DID WITHOUT HIM. He also got the road-book together (which whatever anyone says, I regard as necessary for legal reasons) and though it did not take the amount of work suggested (I wrote the route and he cut and pasted the rest of the stuff which we edited together) looked good and worked well.
Because of my decision to get to Holyhead first (though I was on the second ferry) a lot of money was saved and I was greatly helped by Tickertyboo, Raymo and a few others to charm the hostel lady into waiting for the E200 we owe her.
Now Nick, Barry and I know about those issues and none of the riders do because we sorted it without them having to know.
Congrats on the baby :razz:a baby on the way, my father will probably die this week,
I do agree with thisThat is why the committee, not the riders, need to have the final word on the route.
It's a case of what my wife as been doing to me for the last 20 years. She learned very early on in our courtship the best way to get me to do what she wanted was to make me believe it was my idea.I thought that the polls where just to help guide us, not cast in stone
Yea / nae