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Thread for putting the case of the 5 peaks ride. Bearing in mind any ride for TLD has to tick the following boxes:

Does it capture the public imagination - will it make people go ''bloddy hell''?

Will it attract a decent number of riders? Not just Xrvers.

Is it doable in 24 hours?

Is it both actually, and perceived by the public, to be challenging?

Is it easily understood what we're doing by the people who are likely to be our sponsors?

Is it likely to attrach both riders and sponsors?

Im sure there's more but if the ride ticks all those boxes then it's likely to be a success.

Let's hear your arguements for and against.
 

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The Peaks Challenge

5 Peaks, 3 Countries, 1 Day


Selling it for charity

The Peaks Challenges are a globally recognised fund raiser used by any & all charities. The 3 Peaks even has its own code of practice by the institute of fundraising. http://www.lakedistrict.gov.uk/lake_district_docs95/charity_code_leaflet.pdf

True we would be only stopping for the photo & then ride, but you get the idea.

The Route

No motorways 546 mi – about 15 hours 37 mins

Snowdon to Jellies for breakfast – 122 miles, 3 hrs 18 mins (Got to have a fat boy breakfast)
Jellies to Mam Tor -10.5 miles, 15 mins
Mam Tor to Scafell Pike - 139 miles, 4 hours 29 mins
Scafell Pike to Ben More - 213 miles, 6 hours 5 mins
Ben More to Ben Nevis - 60.5 miles, 1 hour 30 mins


Logistics

Turn up, fill up & ride.


Accomodation

Campsites, YHA, B & B, Hotels at Snowdonia and Ben Nevis


Summary

· You have a challenging ride of at least 16 hours
· Doable in one day - The Longest Day
· You have a selling point of no motorways
· You do not have the cost and issue of the ferry.
· L plates and scooters and 125cc could come along.
· Photo opportunities galore and time for the riders to mingle at the start and the end of the ride. PUB

So the challenge is

Does it capture the public imagination - will it make people go ''bloddy hell''?

Will it attract a decent number of riders? Not just Xrvers.

Is it doable in 24 hours?

Is it both actually, and perceived by the public, to be challenging?

Is it easily understood what we're doing by the people who are likely to be our sponsors?

Is it likely to attract both riders and sponsors?

The Decision is YOURS

OK, it’s me again. Please remember this is an opening idea. Anyone with a bit more nous please add something.
 

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I don't where 5 peaks came from, it's usually 3 peaks - Ben Nevis, Scafell, and Snowdon , with the challenge being to climb all 3 in 24 hours. The extent of the hiking being the main challenge along with a moderately challenging drive. All the people I know who I have done this have had a dedicated driver sovthey can sleep between climbs. Also a climb might not be an out and back climb but an up and over climb so the hike takes the participants towards their goal as well as the driving. As I don't think that is the intent of this possible TLD event we need to think of a variant.

1. The five highest roads in each country of the British isles. I will google it and find later which they are.
2. The road nearest to each of the 5 highest peaks in the British isles. As well as the 3 above this adds Carantouhill in SW Eire and Slieve Donart in the SE of NI.
Against the criteria for the ride these 2 options seem to challenging and with the ferries too expensive.
3. Limit option 1 to each of England Scotland and Wales, ie three peaks. We could also add the steepest road (north Yorkshire I think) and the lowest (east Anglia probably).
4. Do the classic three peaks with pillions doing the climbing.
5. I am sure there's more but....

....The more I think about the less this one seems to be viable. Where's all the people who voted for it first time round supporting the proposition.

The more I think about the less attrative this all seems
 

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Errr Thank you for your constructive criticism :rolleyes:

Yes the 3 Peaks is the better known. I was the safety man/driver for a charity run two years ago. (I also did the cooking and filled the water bottles.):toothy7:

The original vote was for 5 peaks, but following the posts on ferries this week I felt sure no one wanted to use them next year, preventing the 4, 5 & 6 Peaks Challenges that include Northern Ireland, Ireland and the Isle of Man.

So I tried to find 5 fun peaks on the mainland that didn’t require ferries following the feeling of the posts for the last week.

The route I chose was based on the 3 Peaks, a Google search and a school trip to Derbyshire when I was ten in the 70s.;)

I was hoping that by putting something out there people might be inspired to make it better.

You ask where the original supporters are? I’m guessing they are running for the hills.

If it’s not attractive to you, slap some lippy and wig on it, show it some love and post a better Peaks Challenge.:sex:


Can I remind you of the last line of my post
"Please remember this is an opening idea. Anyone with a bit more nous please add something"

 

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If it’s not attractive to you, slap some lippy and wig on it, show it some love and post a better Peaks Challenge

Can I remind you of the last line of my post
"Please remember this is an opening idea. Anyone with a bit more nous please add something"

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I don't get your point. I offered 4 alternative possible routes. Alright, 2 of which are undesireable due to the overall distance. The other two I suggested seem convoluted and a bit tame or not really the sort of event XRV is aspiring to. I paused on a 5th option for ages and couldn't come up with anything else that seemed viable or doable, although I do have at least another 3 possible routes that have peaks in them.

This was why I came to the conclusion that this option does not have legs. I am entitled to that opinion, but would like to hear from the 14 people (or whatever the number was) who voted for it first time in case I have totally missed the point.
 

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I don't get your point. I offered 4 alternative possible routes. Alright, 2 of which are undesireable due to the overall distance. The other two I suggested seem convoluted and a bit tame or not really the sort of event XRV is aspiring to. I paused on a 5th option for ages and couldn't come up with anything else that seemed viable or doable, although I do have at least another 3 possible routes that have peaks in them.

This was why I came to the conclusion that this option does not have legs. I am entitled to that opinion, but would like to hear from the 14 people (or whatever the number was) who voted for it first time in case I have totally missed the point.
I think the major point is that my humour does not easily transfer to the written word :D
 

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Point of information:

The initial suggestion was Ireland, NI, Wales, Eng, Scot and IOM. IOM an expensive addition hence five.

Looking again, the Irish one was just too far so the proposal became four.

That said, it's a bit of an @rse to get to NI and back to visit a car park near a mountain not far from Belfast so maybe three would be more likely to attract riders.

But Snowdon, Scafell Pikes and Ben Nevis is a bit pedestrian - lots of people do that in minibuses. TLD should be more special.

Plainly Big Daddy has got that idea and is making a case for it rather well. Good work, Sir! :thumbup:
 

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Don't get me wrong I would really like this one to have legs. Geographical challenges appeal to me a lot.

The best suggestion I can come up with is the five highest roads:
start in southern England (I will get on my other PC which has proper mapping software). probably dartmoor or exmoor or possibly the downs or even Cotswolds.

Then highest road in south Wales - brecons somewhere probably.

Highest in north Wales - somewhere in snowdonia.

Northern England- north pennines near Nenthead.

Final and 5th peak is in Scotland (and highest of all). A93 cairnsmore pass near braemar.

Big party in a campsite somewhere nearby.

Total distance will Be 700ish and a lot of it non-motorway. Which after TLD10 I think makes for a much better ride.
 

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Don't get me wrong I would really like this one to have legs. Geographical challenges appeal to me a lot.

The best suggestion I can come up with is the five highest roads:
start in southern England (I will get on my other PC which has proper mapping software). probably dartmoor or exmoor or possibly the downs or even Cotswolds.

Then highest road in south Wales - brecons somewhere probably.

Highest in north Wales - somewhere in snowdonia.

Northern England- north pennines near Nenthead.

Final and 5th peak is in Scotland (and highest of all). A93 cairnsmore pass near braemar.

Big party in a campsite somewhere nearby.

Total distance will Be 700ish and a lot of it non-motorway. Which after TLD10 I think makes for a much better ride.
I dont know why, but on first reading of that, I thought ''yeah'' :) That sounds interesting.
 

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Don't get me wrong I would really like this one to have legs. Geographical challenges appeal to me a lot.

The best suggestion I can come up with is the five highest roads:
start in southern England (I will get on my other PC which has proper mapping software). probably dartmoor or exmoor or possibly the downs or even Cotswolds.

Then highest road in south Wales - brecons somewhere probably.

Highest in north Wales - somewhere in snowdonia.

Northern England- north pennines near Nenthead.

Final and 5th peak is in Scotland (and highest of all). A93 cairnsmore pass near braemar.

Big party in a campsite somewhere nearby.

Total distance will Be 700ish and a lot of it non-motorway. Which after TLD10 I think makes for a much better ride.

Sounds great. :p

Is it wrong that I'm jealous of 'proper mapping software':cool:

By the way that is what I meant by showing the idea some love:sunny:
 

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Just a refresher on the rules of engagement :D - these threads are for fully exploring the pros and cons positives and negatives of each proposed ride. So, by putting something up that is a concern, or a negative, is NOT the same thing as slagging the idea off :D It's to give us all the chance to get a more complete picture of whats involved with the ride.

Now, that said, I was thinking a bit more about the ''peaks'' (Back down BTBloke!!!!) - isnt the concept that is fixed in the public imagination the idea of actually ''climbing'' the peaks - if you have to explain to potential sponsors oh no, we're not actually climbing them, we're riding to them and between them, does that lose something of the ''kudos'' of the event. While theres no doubt it will be challenging, will sponsors see it that way?
 

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Sounds great. :p

Is it wrong that I'm jealous of 'proper mapping software':cool:

By the way that is what I meant by showing the idea some love:sunny:
It's only memory map but it's my favourite thing. Cursor gives a height and 10 figure OS map ref. I trawl around the uk just browsing the map for hours -sad I know but I will also sit in a chair browsing a road atlas too and have maps next o the bed fir bed time reading -even sadder.
 

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What a gentleman uses for late night reading should remain between him and his conscience. :toothy3:







Currently a Haynes manual 3919 :D
 

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What a gentleman uses for late night reading should remain between him and his conscience. :toothy3:

Currently a Haynes manual 3919 :D
Careful Big Daddy! You're sailing close to the wind of the moderators banning you. This is a family forum: there's no place for such filth.

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Final and 5th peak is in Scotland (and highest of all). A93 cairnsmore pass near braemar.

Big party in a campsite somewhere nearby.

Total distance will Be 700ish and a lot of it non-motorway. Which after TLD10 I think makes for a much better ride.


woohoo ends at my doorstep :blob8:



ohh and I do Map Porn too
 

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The best suggestion I can come up with is the five highest roads:
start in southern England (I will get on my other PC which has proper mapping software). probably dartmoor or exmoor or possibly the downs or even Cotswolds.
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Austin - from memory its High Willhays (621m) on Dartmooor. You can get very close to the latter on the range roads, with permission of course ! I'll check with Alex as its his stopmping ground. Some good accomodationd down there

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Just had a quick look at the magical mapping software, and for the following route, its circa 720 to 780 miles dependant on motorway or A road routes. Driving time is between 11 and 18 hrs.

Oakehampton - High Willhays 461m
Snowdonia - Top of Llanberis Pass 358m
Nenthead - 628m
Cairnwell - 715m

(the number is the height, not the mileage)
 

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Cheers Iain. That would be 4 peaks of course. I had thought to do a second peak in Wales - brecon; partially to keep the 5 peaks theme but also so the m5/m6 wasn't the route. Alternatively it could be the lowst point (probably fens or Somerset).

My son has nicked my PC keyboard after chucking water on his so can't get on my version of memory map. :rolleyes:


Just had a quick look at the magical mapping software, and for the following route, its circa 720 to 780 miles dependant on motorway or A road routes. Driving time is between 11 and 18 hrs.

Oakehampton - High Willhays 461m
Snowdonia - Top of Llanberis Pass 358m
Nenthead - 628m
Cairnwell - 715m

(the number is the height, not the mileage)
 

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OK - added Brecon in (Storey Arms the highest ?) and put the calculator in non motorway mode. Looks like the same sort of distance (most coming out hsorter aroudn 720 miles and 13 to 14 hours non stop of riding . This would be a bit more for the 125's of course due to speed, and also some extra miles avoiding the M5 out of Devon and the M6 through Lancs / Cumbria.

Iain
 
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