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#1 ·
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3367867/Car-crash-killer-murdered.html

I can see why stuff like this happens.

A stupid short jail term must have seemed like a slap in the face for the friends and families of the teenagers he killed while driving off his head on coke. By ensuring he was back on the streets so soon after the event, the judge inadvertently appears to have given him a sentence of death by vigilante action.

Now there is another body, more police time taken up sorting out the mess and a pile of people on trial for murder. Wouldn't it have been far more cost effective to do a proper job on the sentencing in the first place? Oh sorry, I forgot. We haven't got enough jail capacity have we :rolleyes:

Imagine if your kid was one of the ones he killed and you knew he was out and about so soon - and your kid had been robbed of their life...

Also imagine if the 'victim' was your kid. Yep, he was stupid, drove under the influence and killed two of his mates. The justice system gives him a stupid short sentence and then he gets slotted on release...

The criminal justice system seems to have failed everyone on this occasion.
 
#2 ·
I guess with drugs, what goes around comes around though.
Doesn't say if the people arrested were connected to the young lads killed and injured in the accident.
Think the concept of vigilante-ism is something that is becoming more prevalent the world over. (In the small town where I live, there have been over 30 killings alone this year, mainly drive by shootings, of drug dealers and serious, repeat offenders, (who have wheedled their way out of sentences on technicalities).
Perhaps, the majority of people are just fed up of the justice systems' (or lack of it in a lot of cases) seeming inability to punish those who deserve it and the doling out of punishment to those who don't. If this is a 'tit for tat' killing, I personally don't condone it, but I can understand it. :confused:
 
#3 ·
He may have been a Jack the lad and inadvertently, p***d off the wrong people.
I think the justice system should let the victims family have a say in the sentencing.
Bring back the CAT and the stocks.
 
#4 ·
There are to many facts missing from this story.

If it was the family of the dead teenagers out on a revenge killing then i'm affraid i do not agree, if they had been stood at a bus stop and been wiped out by him driving on drugs then i could understand but they were in the car so you have to look at what they were doing in that car with him. Is it not the parents responsibility to be aware of who there sons/daughters are friends with and the company they keep, if he was such a scally then why were they letting them keep company with him?

I do agree with your point about the justice of it and if the right sentence had been passed then maybe this would have been avoided but thats Britain today for you.



 
#5 ·
There does seem to be a lot of facts missing as said before, again i think what goes around comes around but it is not really the way to go about it. on the + side it is another idiot out of a car but surely the right method of reforming these youngsters needs to be found, Near where i live they had a reform centre /halfway house for young offenders. It was in the countryside and was doing quite well, in spite of objections by local people before it was setup it lasted a couple of years before the spending cuts (as always )withdrew the money and it closed, but the reoffending rate was pretty low from this place, why because they were let out into society in controlled conditions doing jobs like helping out in local olf folks homes, where when they took a cup of tea to an old person they were thanked for doing it and spoken too by the old folks with a bit of respect and chatting to them, and in an interview with one of the youngsters in the local paper he kinda said i have never been treated like that before and it feels good and made me realise i need to treat other people with the same kind of respect, The other thing youngsters need to learn that driving for leisure owning a car is a privelege that they have to respect, and they are not the only one on the road,
merv
 
#7 ·
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There does seem to be a lot of facts missing as said before, again i think what goes around comes around but it is not really the way to go about it. on the + side it is another idiot out of a car but surely the right method of reforming these youngsters needs to be found, Near where i live they had a reform centre /halfway house for young offenders. It was in the countryside and was doing quite well, in spite of objections by local people before it was setup it lasted a couple of years before the spending cuts (as always )withdrew the money and it closed, but the reoffending rate was pretty low from this place, why because they were let out into society in controlled conditions doing jobs like helping out in local olf folks homes, where when they took a cup of tea to an old person they were thanked for doing it and spoken too by the old folks with a bit of respect and chatting to them, and in an interview with one of the youngsters in the local paper he kinda said i have never been treated like that before and it feels good and made me realise i need to treat other people with the same kind of respect, The other thing youngsters need to learn that driving for leisure owning a car is a privelege that they have to respect, and they are not the only one on the road,
merv
Yep. Agree with all of that :thumbup:
 
#6 ·
Yes I can see why this happens.

Over here a man who is extremely violent has been put away for the second time after raping and attempting to kill the first time round. He got out and bundled a girl walking home into his car, raped and killed her. He was a recognised bad b***ard but the police admitted he played the criminal defending system (as quoted by the police involved) to his favour in several incidents over the years.

The world has gone soft on crims and it starts really young. Under 12 or 14(?) and you get away scott free with most things.

Another murderer got out and killed 2 more people. So why does a murderer, who admitted the crime, get back into the public within 5 or so years or at all... I cant believe it. I dont care that the jails are full, thats not my fault, or the innocent people who died who have families who miss them dearly and will never be the same again.

Bring back the death penalty in a short sharp way. If you admit it or have been seen doing the crime (seriously bad ones) then get rid of them, why should tax payers foot the bill for scum. That'll free up jail space, better the community and save money. Maybe some will think twice about breaking the law. If you think this is too harsh, we must realise, if not this, that something has to be done,
 
#8 ·
I like social justice. Though it probably describes a breakdown in trust of the law........ho-hum.
I would imagine that it will have posative long term benefits as crack heads,burglers,bike thieves and such will think that if they recieve a leniant sentence the judge is asking the local populace to add any additional punishment it thinks necessary..And great names.as in ,Crack head offed on Holt way Hook in Hants.